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Sarah Palin's New Book Proves She Has No Understanding of U.S. History

Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:32 PM EST
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By Allen Coat
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I have not read the book, so my comments are based on an article written Jocely Noveck, who is an A.P. National Writer. In the chapter on "Faith and Public Life;, Sarah accuses John F. Kennedy of running away from his religion during the 1960 Presidential Campaign. In a speech by Candidate Kennedy, "he said, "I am not the Catholic candidate for President. I am the Democratic Party's candidate for President, who happens also to be a Catholic." What Sarah doesn't understand was at that time there was a lack of understanding, that Protestants had about the Catholic Church. I'm not a religious scholar, but to the best of my knowledge, Catholics believe the only way to heaven is through the Church, where as Protestants and most other Christian Religions believe each person has a direct link to the Lord. Therefore some Protestants were afraid that John Kennedy would be taking his orders from the Pope, through the Church, rather than the American People. That's why JFK's speech was so important, he had to reassure the American People that he would follow "The Bill of Rights and the Constitution" in all public matters, and that his Religion was between him and the Catholic Church. That he was not going to allow the Catholic Church Theology, affect the American rule of law. Sarah Palin in her book also praised Mitt Romney, a Mormon, for not "doing a JFK" during his campaign for the 2008 Republican nomination. Sarah also said, "Where Kennedy seemed to want to run away from religion. Mitt Romney forthrightly embraced it." Although I don't remember any TV ads in 2008 where Mitt Romney said, "I'm a Mormon running for President, actually he deflected and down played its importance in his ability to carry out the duties of the President if elected. I'm just glad we didn't have the Karl Rove style of negative advertisements back in the 1960's, can you imagine what that would have looked like? There is another statement where she says, "America is reawakening to the gift of our religious heritage," but she has no idea of the religious beliefs of our first 10 Founding Fathers. Five were Episcopalians, two were Unitarians, one was a Presbyterian, one was possibly Dutch Reform and Thomas Jefferson had no religious affiliation (He even wrote his own Bible). The Founding Fathers were running away from religious persecution from England and Europe, and many were thought to have more of a Deism Philosophy based on some of their wrings, but none actually committed to that philosophy. Sarah Palin only can see history from today's prism, and has little deep understanding of our history.

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Allen Coat

Sarah Palin only speaks from talking points, and probably has no deep understanding of US or International History. The 1/2 term Governor does know how to make money, and motivate people regardless of accuracy or truth.

  • 12 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:37 PM EST
Spikegary

The founding fathers you reference were not running away from religious persecution in England and Europe. The Pilgrims did that in the 1600s. These folks were well established in their beliefs and practices as they had lived their lives, most of them, born and raised in the American Colonies.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:18 PM EST
Jeff Midwest

I have not read the book

Then remove your baseless and meaningless little seed, filled with attacks against a Character that you don't understand, and based on socialist lefty liberal lies.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:22 PM EST
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Mike Rupert

None of this matters to Sarah Palin. It doesn't matter what you throw at her. She'll always come up with a different angle. It's the way sociopaths operate.

http://www.sociopathicstyle.com/

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:34 PM EST
Allen Coat

Spikegary, I agree with you, my timing of fleeing religious persecution was off. But the Founding Fathers were very leery of organized religion taking a prominent role in Government. That's why the Bill of Rights ratified on 12/15/1791 in Article Three, the First Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of Religion...."

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:14 PM EST
Allen Coat

Fox Rocks, I have heard Sarah speak without a prompter or talking points to questions she already knows the answer to, that is how I know she has no depth.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:19 PM EST
trm2008

http://beardog321.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/sarah-palins-ghostwriters-for-america-by-heart-know-not-what-they-speak-of-again/

I thought you might find this interesting.

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:30 AM EST
Mike Rupert

Great link, trm.

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:53 AM EST
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Vlad's dog

I can't believe she made that argument, Hell, some of us are still alive from that time, we read the newspapers and heard the people talking about this issue.

Sarah you can't change recent history my Gal, go back further to change it. LOL

  • 10 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:47 PM EST
Allen Coat

Vlad, I was only 11 in 1960, but do remember the history of the time, which was continually reinforced through my years of schooling. So when I read that quote, I knew she could twist any history to fit her ideology.

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:12 PM EST
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DEVIL1

I didn't read her book but I feel free to write this article about this dumb bitch.Nice!I was in Catholic grade school when JFK ran.We were told by our nuns and priests,''you must tell your parents to vote for JFK''.What the hell did I care.If he ran as a Catholic he would have lost.He knew this so he didn't.And guess what, he won.She was correct 100 % I was there, my father,a dyed in the wool republican, said he didn't voted for him.I said ,but dad he was a Catholic ,like us.He said I don't trust him. He said he was a democrat first.That's why I didn't trust him.You big tough guys ,got to pick on Sarah every chance you get.

  • 2 votes
#3 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:19 PM EST
Allen Coat

Devil 1, we love to point out Sarahs errors, to bad she won't go on any of the regular "political elite media" shows meaning the regular networks. She knows she doesn't have the answers to any questions with deep push back.

  • 5 votes
#3.1 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:47 PM EST
DEVIL1

Look I love her! She's got more spunk than 99% of the people we've elected.Is she presidential?In my opinion no.Can she help the conservative uprising?Absolutely.She chose to become a celebrity,so be it.The left FEARS her! Now, they may say no but why all the concern?I think that's great!

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:05 PM EST
TheJonesGirl

LOL, I don't fear Palin. I think she's a joke.

  • 7 votes
#3.3 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM EST
DavePat

Palin is something that should be feared if you ever want to see the GOP ever become a great and useful part of American politics rather than the far right, extremist and obstructionist movement that people like Palin are making it.

  • 4 votes
#3.4 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:39 PM EST
BLOGER-486140

I fear any polarizing celebrity in the pockets of FOX. I fear her ignorance and lack of leadership skill and humility would contribute to the decline of the country. There is nothing unique in this women. We have seen these ignorant rants before. People intolerant of everything they don't agree with. People quick to demonize or question the patriotism of others. People acting as the mouthpiece for others.

  • 4 votes
#3.5 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:10 PM EST
Jeff Midwest

to bad she won't go on any of the regular "political elite media" shows meaning the regular networks.

You are referring to the socilaist-minded, left-leaning heavily biased Media Sources. She can't possible get an even break there, and only a flaming IDIOT thinks that they are some kind of "political elite media".

  • 1 vote
#3.6 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:26 PM EST
DavePat

Yea, they might ask her what she reads again and the answer will probably not be any better now than it was in 08.

  • 2 votes
#3.7 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:31 PM EST
DEVIL1

Jeff,these guys on the left are such wussies.Sarah scares the hell out of them.Unlike most liberal women she looks good she acts like a women but she has stones.Speaks her mind ,not presidential but I like her.

  • 1 vote
#3.8 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:10 PM EST
DavePat

I don't think anybody is against her as a woman, just not as President......... or Governor........... or................ dog catcher.

  • 4 votes
#3.9 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:15 PM EST
Allen Coat

Devil 1 Refering to post 3-2, the Republican establishment is just if not more afraid of her than the left. You are right though, she is a force to be feared, but at this point I think it's more about money and she knows how to rake it in.

  • 2 votes
#3.10 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:24 PM EST
David Boddie

DEVIL1, Palin is the Hannah Montana of the conservative world. If that is who they want for their "guiding light", let them have her. I'm amazed that if they want beauty so badly, that the conservatives haven't come up with someone more ideologically qualified. Aren't there any gals out there more qualified than Palin? What about Meghan McCain?

  • 3 votes
#3.11 - Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:23 AM EST
Allen Coat

David, although I am a Democrat, I could support a moderate like Meghan McCain, but she get hammered by the Far Right, which is most of the Republican Tea Party.

  • 2 votes
#3.12 - Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:26 AM EST
DavePat

Allen

That is my biggest fear for the actual Republican Party. That they be completely taken over by the Tea Party and lose all touch with reality.......... I mean moderates............ Oh wait............ that is the same isn't it.

  • 1 vote
#3.13 - Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:41 AM EST
David Boddie

David, although I am a Democrat, I could support a moderate like Meghan McCain, but she get hammered by the Far Right, which is most of the Republican Tea Party.

Meghan McCain is young and tough. She can handle herself a lot better than Palin against opposition. She'll face her critics like Olbermann and Maddow and tell you exactly why she likes or dislikes something. Especially without attacking someone. She is not a puppet and she should be the new face of young Republicans.

  • 2 votes
#3.14 - Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:48 AM EST
Allen Coat

David, for the sake of the Republican party I agree with you.

  • 2 votes
#3.15 - Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:04 AM EST
David Boddie

Well, I say Olbermann and Maddow are her critics, but they actually like her!

  • 2 votes
#3.16 - Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:25 AM EST
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maximillio

Allen, you could fix your headline and save a word. Instead of "U.S. History" you could just put "anything."

Palin is a moron on all fronts.

  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:25 PM EST
Allen Coat

I know Max, I wonder how many zingy one liner talking points it took to make her the 1/2 term Governor of Alaska.

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:36 PM EST
trm2008

Give Palin a break. She has mastered the use of the bumpit.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_A1zhjdbC3aI/TBgx-XG61kI/AAAAAAAAAVA/rNa8k2lEUbg/s1600/bumpits.jpg

What more can you expect from her?

  • 6 votes
#4.2 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:56 PM EST
TheJonesGirl

My hair naturally does that "bumpit" thing if I sleep on it. You mean I have been washing and blow drying each morning for nothing?

  • 5 votes
#4.3 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:02 PM EST
trm2008

TJG--I'm sure Palin would give you all her beauty secrets is you ask her nice. LOL

  • 6 votes
#4.4 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:27 PM EST
TheJonesGirl

LOL. I am having a very amusing mental image of me and Palin talking beauty. LOL!

  • 3 votes
#4.5 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:40 PM EST
say what??

trm2008

Give Palin a break. She has mastered the use of the bumpit.

I had to ask myself, what the heck is the bumpit? Is it like the armpit?

Obviously I didn't pay a lot of attention to that commercial!

  • 4 votes
#4.6 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:55 PM EST
David Boddie

Give Palin a break. She has mastered the use of the bumpit.

GAH!!! Cephalopod hair!!!

  • 6 votes
#4.7 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:19 PM EST
Jeff Midwest

I know Max, I wonder how many zingy one liner talking points it took to make her the 1/2 term Governor of Alaska.

Apparently, you only need 154 days, in the US Senate, to qualify you for the Office of President.

  • 1 vote
#4.8 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:28 PM EST
David Boddie

Jeff, 154 days > 0 days.

  • 3 votes
#4.9 - Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:25 AM EST
jwc2blue

Apparently, you only need 154 days, in the US Senate, to qualify you for the Office of President.

Sorry Jeffy, but you need to win a national election to BE the President.

Thank you, come again.

  • 4 votes
#4.10 - Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:05 PM EST
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Mister Joshua

Interesting article, but I think it would have been better if you had seeded the AP story you referenced.

Anyway, JFK did the smart thing by acknowledging his Catholicism and then reinforcing his position as an American first. It was something that needed to be said. However, given his family connections and wealth, I don't think his Catholic faith was that much a liability. If anything, Nixon didn't run the tightest campaign and that's why JFK won. There's also evidence that the Democrats in Chicago and Texas committed voter fraud.

  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:30 PM EST
Allen Coat

Mister Joshua, I didn't seed the article because I read it out of the Sunday news paper. I do agree that Nixon didn't run a very good campaign.

  • 5 votes
#5.1 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:40 PM EST
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BLOGER-486140

She is ignorant. Protestant were extremely leery of Catholics. Many held a view that Catholics have an allegiance to the pope that supersede their allegiance to their country. Kennedy is his speech had to confronted this prejudice head on. He wasn't ashamed of his religion he was trying to assuage the Protestant majority. You are absolutely right history is yet anther subject Ms Palin of which she is ignorant.

I often wonder how much of these so called books are Ghosted. Someone please do a computer analysis of the prose. Someone need be the Ghost Buster.

Ms Palin has made it perfectly clear she should let her own religious prejudice and inclinations influence her decisions. Yet another reason she is unfit for high or low political office.

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:59 PM EST
tesla013

How is this surprising to anyone on the Vine? She is the most feared woman in politics by the left.........and yet, she is no brighter than a birthday candle. I do not understand the logic. I guess I should worry more about the not so intelligent?

" Well That's Different"..of course it is.........

" I know now why zombies eat brains"

  • 3 votes
#7 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:17 PM EST
Jeff Midwest

She is the most feared woman in politics by the left.........and yet, she is no brighter than a birthday candle. I do not understand the logic.

She is feared by the left, because the American People know that absolutely ANYBODY would be better than the piece-of-crap that occupies the White House right now. Their only possible remedy will be personal attacks and character assassinations (they can not possibly hope to get him re-elected on his RECORD), so they are taking the most likely opponents and starting the attacks early.

  • 2 votes
#7.1 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:32 PM EST
DavePat

I think the fear factor has to do with the fear that we could actually get another idiot in office. We have proof that it can happen since we spent eight years from 2001 through 2008 and are still having to clean up the mess. I don't know that the country could weather that sort of "leadership" again.

  • 4 votes
#7.2 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:40 PM EST
tesla013

Same question for you Dave: how can someone so stupid manage to control the entire world and screw it up so? How can one man, who you just told us, is an idiot, aspire to the highest office in the land and then be responsible for every major F.U. in the known universe? Which is it is he some kind of god or a moron?

And if he is a moron what does that make the new guy?

  • 3 votes
#7.3 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:53 PM EST
DavePat

The "Decider" had neither the smarts nor the ethics necessary for the job of running the most powerful country in the world and the job suffered from that shortfall for eight years.

It is hard to gauge Obama's abilities when you consider the mess he had to deal with coming into office. The only thing Obama had going for him was the fact that he didn't have a tough act to follow.

  • 3 votes
#7.4 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:03 PM EST
tesla013

Dave:If he lacked the smarts and ethics how did he get the job? Keeping in mind that voters cannot be alternately dumb and then somehow get smart and then get dumb again.

  • 4 votes
#7.5 - Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:00 PM EST
DavePat

Was it Abraham Lincoln that said you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time?

George is an example of how you can fool some of the people all of the time, and when that doesn't work anymore you can scare a lot of the people until they vote for the fool even if they should have known the idiot was screwing up by the numbers.

  • 1 vote
#7.6 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:28 PM EST
tesla013

I hope you are not implying that the dems would never stoop to scare tactics to sway opinion toward their objective. I have seen 3 stories on the Vine this month accusing republicans and Liptons of literally attempting to kill folks in thier surge to to take control of the world.

  • 3 votes
#7.7 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:17 AM EST
Allen Coat

tesla, The Vine isn't a major news organizations, it is for the most part, Liberal minded people expressing their opinions on current events. There are Conservatives on the Vine, such as yourself, that express your opinion to support your positions. I have never heard the Vine mentioned by any national media as a source of information.

  • 3 votes
#7.8 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:21 PM EST
tesla013

Actually Allen I find it a rather accurate guide to the pulse of some people. And I sometimes even find "real" news here. I have never seen the "Hollywood media" quote a source of information. But I stopped watching the news years ago. I was interested to see if Dave was willing to say that dems never resort to scare tactics. IMSHO Palin seems to be the only news worthy item opined on by the left recently. I find that rather disturbing. I am aware that the Vine is not a news orginazation.

  • 2 votes
#7.9 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:31 PM EST
DavePat

Actually tesla, I find it equally repulsive for any group or individual to use the scare tactics like the ones used by the GOP in the Bush administration that cost us so many lives and untold fortune for no reason. What are your feelings about that sort of action?

  • 2 votes
#7.10 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:39 PM EST
tesla013

Always Bush.. Well if I remember right he had the full support of congress if you are refering to that which I think you are. And since no one, even at levels of power knew at that moment what the truth really was, how could one make a decision? I don't believe we should have done anything more than kill Saddam and come home. We helped cause an over throw of power in Afghanistan once before by staying out it I think we could have done so again. But I also believe that BOTH political parties are useless liars and thieves so I am probably not a good barometer. But you prompt another question: What will democrats do when BUsh is no longer a viable scapegoat?

  • 2 votes
#7.11 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:57 PM EST
DavePat

And since no one, even at levels of power knew at that moment what the truth really was, how could one make a decision?

But the "Decider" did make the decision didn't he. In addition to that, it has now come out that the decision was made long before 9/11 so he wasn't bothered by any of that cherry picked intelligence was he.

I don't believe we should have done anything more than kill Saddam and come home.

It is apparent that Bush thought the same thing, but couldn't sell that notion without the fearmongering that accompanied his campaign to make the American public believe that there were still WMD in Iraq and that Saddam had connection with 9/11.

We helped cause an over throw of power in Afghanistan once before by staying out it I think we could have done so again

And our "staying out of it" in Afghanistan worked out really well didn't it. That was when we saw the Taliban come to power in Afghanistan and their support of al Qaeda who did, in FACT, attack us.

Now, I too am of the opinion that we messed up in Afghanistan by not doing what we should have done, which was go into Afghanistan, capture or kill Osama and company, and leave with the full understanding that we don't really give a rat's a** who runs their worthless country, but if this sort of thing happens again, we will be back and they will think the last time was a party compared to what happens if we have to come back.

We do military conquest really well. We don't do very well with our dealing with the "victory" afterwards. We lost more people and money in the "post victory" operation than we did in the war. We could go back several times for the cost of our post victory failure in Afghanistan and especially Iraq where we should never have gone in the first place.

Back on topic, fear mongering is wrong no matter who does it.

  • 3 votes
#7.12 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:31 PM EST
tesla013

We failed to follow up in Afghanistan after the Russians left. No surprise there. As for wmd as far as I could tell we sold the damn things to him back during the I&I war. So we made our own case for him having them. And wrong or right he at least made a decision which at least is an ingredient of leadership. Leadership that would have gotten Bin Laden during Clintons reign had that man had just an inkling of that ingredient. We have never done well with conquest unless you count the Native American. We do kick ass and go home real good as long as the politicians keep their nose out of it.

  • 2 votes
#7.13 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:41 PM EST
DavePat

And wrong or right he at least made a decision which at least is an ingredient of leadership.

You are kidding with this one aren't you? So did Custer, and his wasn't acceptable either.

We have never done well with conquest unless you count the Native American.

No since limiting it. What we did with the Native Americans after the end of the Indian Wars, wasn't really anything to brag about either or have you never seen an Indian Reservation?

  • 1 vote
#7.14 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:51 PM EST
tesla013

I'm part Cherokee. I may have seen one or two. So far Bush's decision hasn't gotten us all massacred. Probably not the best analogy.

  • 2 votes
#7.15 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:58 PM EST
DavePat

There are over 4,000 U.S. service men and women who died in Iraq that might argue that point.

  • 3 votes
#7.16 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:40 PM EST
tesla013

Yea I would have been one of them but I was out by the first one. Just missed it. I also signed on the dotted line my voluntary service to my country. I sort of knew the risks when I got to the page that says please list your next of kin.

  • 2 votes
#7.17 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:42 PM EST
DavePat

That is a big part of why the "Right or wrong, at least he made a decision" thing sort of rubs me the wrong way. The last thing you want to do is make a wrong decision when you are going to war. The cost is too great.

  • 3 votes
#7.18 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:47 PM EST
tesla013

My gut says we will never know the truth. And history seldom gets much right except the names. I wish we had never gone to Iraq.Afghanistan we probably had little choice but to go however we should already have left. They have a different way of doing things there, and I fear our commanders in suits will never understand it.

  • 1 vote
#7.19 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:31 PM EST
Allen Coat

Tesla013, regarding post 7.19, who knows maybe we will find out the truth about both wars from WikiLeaks, but we may not like what we find.

  • 4 votes
#7.20 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:53 PM EST
tesla013

You may be right Allen. It won't bring back the dead though. I, for one, do not trust the wikileaks all that much I really lack trust for any information coming from an agenda driven source. I'm not from the generation that trusts the internet as the final confirmation of facts. Like the global warming debate 400 one side got a ton of data to support their view. 400 on the other side same thing. And your only choice is to choose sides without ever truly knowing whose "facts" are correct.

  • 1 vote
#7.21 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:05 PM EST
DavePat

I, for one, do not trust the wikileaks all that much I really lack trust for any information coming from an agenda driven source.

The thing about wikileaks is that the information that they have been putting out hasn't gotten ANY objection from the government about the truth of what they have been publishing. In fact, it has served as the basis for the arrest and prosecution of the alleged leaker.

  • 2 votes
#7.22 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:21 PM EST
tesla013

Why would you object to it when the objection would be seen as confirmation of the truth of the documents?

  • 2 votes
#7.23 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:27 PM EST
DavePat

And failure to object to it would be seen as even a greater confirmation of the truth of the documents so where is that? Then we have the problem mentioned above about using the Wikileaks as the basis to prosecute the leaker. That one does sort of serve as a confirmation that is hard to get around.

Then there is the history of Wikileaks. Did you see the video of the helicopter shooting up the news crew in Iraq? That one would be hard to fake.

  • 1 vote
#7.24 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:42 PM EST
tesla013

You see? It is a lose, lose situation. No matter what you do, say, or produce you are already guilty. That, to me, is not a reliable source of information. The same tactic is used when a persons character is crucified for public amusement. Simply making the accusation is enough. Any attempt to defend yourself is seen as confirmation that the charge is accurate. And the accusee never faces any scrutiny. That, of course, is very convenient.

  • 2 votes
#7.25 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:48 PM EST
DavePat

You still didn't address the issue of the prosecution of the leaker did you?

  • 1 vote
#7.26 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:26 PM EST
Allen Coat

Tesla & Dave, to you two debate every issue, the same way you have on this topic? No one knows the actual facts on anything, unless they were there. The nice thing about the Internet is you can research different resources to get a general a consensus of what happened. I subscribe to a magazine called The Week, which has short stories about all topics and the opinions from both sides of the issue. But no one source of information will give you the unvarnished truth.

  • 2 votes
#7.27 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:58 PM EST
tesla013

Allen that is my root point of every debate of this nature. No one truly knows the facts, except of course, those that were there. But it leads me to believe that these tid bits are put out there for the sole purpose of creating "sides" believers/non, left/right, and so on. And I have pointed out many times that it seems to be the purpose of these "leakers" to keep us debating, arguing,ranting, and generally insulting and degrading one another. To keep us at odds with each other so we do not have the time/patience/presence of mind to see what is really going on, the real agendas. Allow those in power to go forward with their plans without undue interference from us. They will get blind support from their"side" and the other will to busy attacking the supporters to see clearly. The global warming, climate shift, climate change, what ever they are calling it now is a prime example.

  • 2 votes
#7.28 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 12:44 PM EST
Allen Coat

Tesla, I agree, but we are so in the dark, we don't know who to believe. Unfortunately I believe there has been a cultural shift in our country, where the truth no longer matters. I can remember 20 years or more a go where a persons word was their bond. If a journalist got caught in an outright lie, the country as a whole would reject that persons opinion. Now journalist, politicians and other media get caught in lies all the time, but nobody other than their opponents seem to care. At least most of the country doesn't pay attention to politics like we do and others on the vine. I very seldom talk politics to anyone I know, because most don't care. I'm a Democrat so I favor their policies and agendas as a whole, so I support their positions.

  • 2 votes
#7.29 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 4:24 PM EST
tesla013

I agree whole heartedly right up to policies. I will agree with any side's, Solutions......... I just do not see many. It seems to me that if a candidate loved his country and his people, if good policies were in place they would either attempt to improve on those policies, or leave them alone to continue to prosper and grow. Instead I see the opposite. I see men who believe "they" are the only ones with the "real" answers to our problems and try to change everything. Destroying what ever progress we had made up to that point.

  • 2 votes
#7.30 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 12:11 PM EST
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A Sergeant's Mom

I tend to agree with your perspective, AC because Candidate Kennedy knew he had to appeal politically to detractors in order to win the presidency, but also to assure his constituency that he would hold true to constitutional principles. He was a genuinely good person.

Clearly, this man had vision:

ListentoKennedy

Were they the years the tide ran out? Kennedy also could see what lay ahead for the nation, the direction that America needed to go and had the wisdom to distinguish between moving into a progressive advantage over other nations in education and military power and not return to an agrarian/agrarianistic society.

  • 2 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:19 PM EST
Spike Eng2

Palin gets a little more mileage out of the Bible than she does out of a History book . Kennedy wasn't running from his Religion he was assuring the American people that the Pope would not be running this Country . Now if Palin could assure the Populace that if she was elected we would not become a religious theocracy .

  • 2 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:21 PM EST
areuserious??

Does not know history, does not know the name of magazines or newspapers she reads. The list is too big to put on here listing all she does not know...

What does she know...,how to scare people with death panels..that never happened, did it Sarah ??

Oh yes, The country will never come back under Obama, its on its way back Sarah, car companies, more people are getting jobs, slow but they are getting them !!

I want to take my country back..Hello Sarah, it is our country too !!!

You are in my face every day of my life...radio, TV, books, magazines, newspapers and your whinny voice is shouting, "Look at me, follow me, listen to me, and where is your bible,,,we must have our bible !!!! You are going to wear yourself out in two years and the public is going to be so tired of you..

Just man up Sarah, say you are running, you know you are, what are you waiting for ??I guess you are all about the show, the suspense, and waiting until the GOP will let you run................

Can you see her making a speech to all the World Leaders at the UN..!!

Or going to Russia and reading off her hand....You Betcha, Wink Wink !!!

Take a break for a while, stay home, be with your kids, be a Mom and a Grandmother, and stop taking all of us on this "I'm not running, I am just giving it my best consideration" journey that you are on.

Only the Teabaggers and the right wing nuts really care about you..!!!!

  • 4 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:25 PM EST
Allen Coat

areuserious, based on Sarah's track record as 1/2 term Governor, because it got to hard. How long do you think she would last as President, maybe six months so she could start working on her new book, that someone else will write for her for her?

  • 3 votes
#10.1 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:38 PM EST
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jwc2blue

$arah Palin's New Book Proves She Has No Understanding of U.S. History

It also proves that she can't even pick an editor who does.

Just imagine her cabinet if we ever have to suffer through a half term of her as president!

  • 4 votes
Reply#11 - Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:18 AM EST
marvelous Marvin-525018

Ladies and gentlemen , introducing your next president of the United States of sick America. This is one of many reasons why Americans need to seriously worry, just thinking of Sarah Palin running for president should make Americans really worry about the possibility of this psychotic illiterate running for president. Even the GOP fully understands how they created a monster that is loose and on the run. They now realize that the great White Hope has turned out to be a great white dope. America will reap what they sew as usual .

  • 3 votes
Reply#12 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:51 PM EST
Allen Coat

Marvelous Marvin, I have to agree with you, Sarah Palin should be a worry for both Parties and Independents.

  • 2 votes
#12.1 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:38 PM EST
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