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Justin Bieber won't become a US Citizen: "You're broke because of medical bills"

Seeded on Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:52 AM EST
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Justin Bieber insisted he never plans on becoming a citizen of the United States. Why? Canada has a single-payer health care system. Here, in the "evil" U.S., "you're broke because of medical bills.on't need to worry about paying him, but here, your whole life, you're broke because of medical bills. My bodyguard's baby was premature, and now he has to pay for it. In Canada, if your baby's premature, he stays in the hospital as long as he needs to, and then you go home

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Allen Coat

The Republican Tea Party likes to brag that we have the best health care system in the world. I believe we do have the best health care, with the most advanced technology, but that's only for people who can afford to pay for insurance, or get it through an employers. The insurance companies continue to charge more, and try to provide less service, because it's a for profit industry, and the share holders have to come before the patients.

  • 61 votes
#1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:59 AM EST
devilsadvocatesExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

IF beiber doesn't like our coutry so much.....go the F^ck back to Canada and tell your American fans to f^ck off! Is he really so shallow?

  • 28 votes
#1.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:13 PM EST
Allen Coat

devilsadvocates, Biieber doesn't dislike America or Americans, just the evil insurance companies that have been preying on the Average American since the invention of HMO'S.

  • 74 votes
#1.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:17 PM EST
River-239955

Is he really so shallow?

Looks like a brilliant young capitalist to me. America should be proud of what they have taught the world.

:)

  • 38 votes
#1.3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:18 PM EST
SeniorTokarev

Allen Coat,he said we were evil but he'll take our money.You know,all that disposeable cash we have left over after paying our medical bills?I think we should tax that little bastard every time he turns around.Popstar tax,that would ensure he can always afford to go back home to Canada.Even after his concerts start bombing here in the evil US.........

  • 16 votes
#1.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:23 PM EST
Louie Lou

You don't need to personalize it devilsadvocates.

  • 18 votes
#1.5 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:28 PM EST
Allen Coat

SeniorTokarev, I believe he was talking about the insurance companies being evil, not the American public, which is true. The insurance companies only care about their financial bottom line, not the health of the patient.

  • 45 votes
#1.6 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:30 PM EST
deepwater don

He said he did not like our medical system in America. Maybe if he needs medical attention his body guard can drop him off at the Canadian border!

  • 15 votes
#1.7 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:32 PM EST
RebootIt

He has enough money to take a private jet. I can't stand Bieber but he has a valid point.

  • 31 votes
#1.8 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:36 PM EST
Shugga-ShuggaExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Someone please just box this Gayber disease up and toss it in a river. Enough with this arrogant piece of nothing. He can't sing, and is nothing more than an entertainment whore for the industry.

  • 17 votes
#1.9 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:36 PM EST
SeniorTokarev

Its called free enterprise Allen Coat.Thats what business does.Thats how they employ people and thats how America is supposed to work.All government intervention has ever done is raise the cost and take away from service.not everybody wins all the time,but we had a prosperous country before the government turned into Baby Huey.As for Bieber,Dont you think a smart person would have clarified that?He said,"You guys are evil."There are a lot of ways that can be taken,but given the context and his inherent Canadianism,Im pretty damn sure he intended the insult to all Americans,not just insurance companies.Though if he's smart he will deny it.

  • 6 votes
#1.10 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:39 PM EST
gillanator

Allen Coat,he said we were evil but he'll take our money.

Sounds just like a right winger doesn't he?

  • 21 votes
#1.11 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:39 PM EST
Lola-984242

Smart kid that Justin Bieber!

  • 34 votes
#1.12 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:40 PM EST
badchess

This is the best argument I've seen yet for America's health care system.

Now if we could just keep him out of the US when he doesn't need medical care as well...

  • 10 votes
#1.13 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:43 PM EST
RV in GB#1

What's a Bieber?

Sorry if I do not really care what this little boy thinks of our health care system. I broke my leg in Canada, and had to drive for HOURS to find a hospital with an X-Ray machine - a SIMPLE FREAKING X-RAY MACHINE. Keep your Canadian health care Bieber. I couldn't wait to get back to the States where my care was state of the art and my leg healed properly.

  • 27 votes
#1.14 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:44 PM EST
SeniorTokarev

No Gillanator,thats purely a lefty thing from the git go.You smoke,youre evil,you stink and you are a health hazzard,but we'll take your money as a downpayment for an unconstitutional healthcare bill that will have to pass and go into effect before we find out whats in it.Yeah,thats a lefty thing............

  • 10 votes
#1.15 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:44 PM EST
Fred Evil

Is he really so shallow?

Really? HE'S the shallow one? He recognizes a HUGE flaw in our system, points it out along with a valid circumstance on how broken it is compared to one he's familiar with, so YOU insult HIM, and then call HIM shallow?!

I still don't know what the $#*& a Bieber is, but he's on point with the failings of our medical system.

  • 31 votes
#1.16 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:44 PM EST
Paddy Clarke

IF beiber doesn't like our coutry so much.....go the F^ck back to Canada and tell your American fans to f^ck off! Is he really so shallow?

LOL ! Well said !

This reminds me of another friggin moron who came to the White House and insulted a former resident of the White House. You know why they do this ? Because there are so many haters in this nation itself who actually provide support to these dillweeds ....

BTW, saw this guy imitating Obama on the Conan show. Somebody should tell this airhead that to make fun of a President, you should have something more to your credit other than a song which goes "Baby baby baby baby baby ...". The answer to your question is "Yes, he is that shallow".

BTW, I'd never become a Canadian citizen because who wants to go to a country which has people like Bieber !!

  • 16 votes
#1.17 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:44 PM EST
landspirit

Bieber is just a teenager with idealistic views often not honed and primed by life experiences. However, he has a strong point. The United States is fast becoming the country no one wants to live in. Other countries with better economies and health care are becoming more and more attractive. Whether a citizen of the US gets health care or not depends on the profit margin of the insurance companies. A citizen of Canada gets health care because he is a citizen and valued. In a world where we all in reality depend upon each other, the good health and vitality of your neighbor becomes as important as you own. Too many people in the US are too dense or greedy to see or acknowledge that fact.

  • 27 votes
#1.18 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:48 PM EST
HappyToSeeYa

a tweeny bopper observation seems to be upsetting a lot of people - why?

  • 22 votes
#1.19 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:49 PM EST
SeniorTokarev

Landspirit,why dont you get a bullhorn and go repeat that on our southern border.

  • 9 votes
#1.20 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:50 PM EST
voxrationis

Jeez, he is just stating the truth, most Canadians and Europeans do not understand the healthcare debate in this country (if you actually talk to them!). They hear supposed horror stories of nationalized medicine and wonder where those stories came from? They wonder why many Americans take anamolies as normalities? They wonder why an American politico like Palin scoffs at their system when she bragged about sneaking into Canada to use their services for free. Shouldn't that make her a huge hypocrite for criticizing their system?

Considering the kid earned 65.4 million last year he should be a capitalist icon. Afterall he also lined the pockets of the 1%'ers that the Right loves so much. Somehow I don't think this is going to hurt him with his tween fans. They understand the healthcare debate about as well and as factually as the typical Tea Partier.

Those who bash successful artists clearly do it out of the purest of jealousy. There simply are not that many who can get up in front of a crowd of 10,000 and move them. It is a rare thing. Of course his music is pop dreck but that is what the vast majority of music buyers actually purchase. I don't care for Biebers music but honestly I would rather have to listen to a spin of "Baby" than to hear Bob Dylan croak out "Maggie's Farm" again. That should get the pot properly stirred.

  • 24 votes
#1.21 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:52 PM EST
Pastafarian

a tweeny bopper observation seems to be upsetting a lot of people - why?

Because the truth hurts. Sad that Justin Bieber has more intelligence and perspective than the Teabaggers. Sad, but not surprising.

  • 26 votes
#1.22 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:53 PM EST
Jerryf11

All government intervention has ever done is raise the cost and take away from service.not everybody wins all the time,but we had a prosperous country before the government turned into Baby Huey

Oh really? You mean we didn't repeal Glass-Steagall and pull back other regulations on things from credit defaults swaps to capitalization requirements for banks, starting under Reagan, and showed economic growth?

No, in fact the opposite happened. Maybe if you cared about facts and thoughtful analysis you wouldn't post such useless, factually-unsubstantiated drivel.

As for Bieber, that snot-nosed little punk gets it, why doesn't half this country?

  • 21 votes
#1.23 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:53 PM EST
SeniorTokarev

Going back a little further Jerry..........

  • 4 votes
#1.24 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:55 PM EST
Louie Lou

Its called free enterprise Allen Coat.Thats what business does.Thats how they employ people and thats how America is supposed to work.

I agree to a certain extent. There's nothing wrong with making money, but when it affects people's lives, that's when you have to draw the line. I'm sure you're in good health and aren't one of the many who can't afford health insurance, but let's say you WERE one of them. What would you say if you got the short end of the stick and had a disease and you were told there was nothing they could do because of your health insurance? Would you still sit there and say the same thing?

All government intervention has ever done is raise the cost and take away from service.

Not true. Health care costs have been going up in recent years even before the health care issue took center stage.

.As for Bieber,Dont you think a smart person would have clarified that?He said,"You guys are evil."There are a lot of ways that can be taken,but given the context and his inherent Canadianism,Im pretty damn sure he intended the insult to all Americans,not just insurance companies.Though if he's smart he will deny it.

You're going to take what some 16-year-old said about America to heart? Is anyone in on this board a parent of a teenager? Show of hands? How many times have YOU seen eye to eye with your teen?

  • 5 votes
#1.25 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:55 PM EST
smellitcoming

Bieber ia a moron, he is the David Cassidy of the next few years.

  • 12 votes
#1.26 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:56 PM EST
Allen Coat

HappyToSeeYa, some people can't take constructive criticism (especially from a foreigner), so instead of addressing the facts, they tend to attack the messenger.

  • 25 votes
#1.27 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:57 PM EST
valspully

Beiber says these thing till he needs medical service Canada wont supply. Just watch the Health channel and see all the people with issues that come to America looking for Healthcare. They dont fly to Canada!

  • 8 votes
#1.28 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:07 PM EST
Paddy Clarke

There's nothing wrong with making money, but when it affects people's lives, that's when you have to draw the line. I'm sure you're in good health and aren't one of the many who can't afford health insurance, but let's say you WERE one of them.

The cure for high prices is high prices. If the cost of something rises, in a free market, something comes in to provide a cheaper alternative. This principle holds true for everything from food, clothing (which mankind has used from time immemorial) to modern day items like computers and cell phones.

If you take out the profit motive, you remove the incentive to make products better and that is what the current healthcare bill will do.

Sure, absolutely agree that healthcare costs in the US are crippling. But that is not because every evil SOB in the US decided to work in the healthcare industry but because we have a system where everything from a routine doctor's visit to a complex dental process gets done with a flash of an insurance card. The user of this card neither knows nor cares for the true cost of this procedure. That is why we have hospitals charging $10 for Aspirin !!

Time was when insurance was just that, someting to be insured against for emergencies. Now, it is something of a magic wand to be used to pay for everything from a blood test to a cancer screening.

The popular methodology for conducting debates is to grab special cases (Obama did this innumerable times) like rare cancers etc. and make it a case for a wholesale takeover of the system. That is pure BS. Let's take care of the nitty-gritty. Why aren't clinics fighting to advertise their services like blood tests, mammograms, routine checkups ? Because it's no use ! They don't need talking to the users of the services directly , it's that simple. While I get half a dozen ads for car maintenance in my mail box, I have always wondered why I never receive ads for say blood tests, mammograms, yearly checkups etc. I mean we do these on a fairly regular basis right ? So, in a free market the prices for these should be freely available !!

BTW, I see you are much more reasonable that the rest of the lib dweebs who seed articles here. So, thanks for a lively and (for the most part :) polite debate.

  • 7 votes
#1.29 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:12 PM EST
Louie Lou

That is why we have hospitals charging $10 for Aspirin !!

Very good point. Hospitals do overcharge for things. Heck a ride in an ambulance will run you $700. I've come to understand that insurance companies are not the only ones responsible for this mess we're in. I know they are trying to make their money, but sometimes they do tend to get a little greedy. I don't know, sometimes I wish we could scrub this whole thing and start from scratch. Hospitals, insurance companies, Big Pharma, EVERYONE needs to sit down and show justification for what they are charging people. I know everyone wants to make money, but greed doesn't need a seat at this table.

  • 10 votes
#1.30 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:20 PM EST
Allen Coat

valspully, Foreigners only come to the US is they can pay for it. We have many of our citizens going to India and other foreign countries, because they can't afford a major medical procedure here.

  • 12 votes
#1.31 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:20 PM EST
Brad_440

If you take out the profit motive, you remove the incentive to make products better and that is what the current healthcare bill will do.

Exactly what advancements to health insurance companies make? What detriment would come from removing profit from health insurance? I also don't see what harm would come from removing profit from health services since administering tests and procedures isn't where advancements come from either. The only place that might need to keep profits to drive innovation would be in research and development of drugs and equipment.

However, the drive to create better drugs, procedures, and equipment shouldn't come from the desire of larger profit margins but from the ability to save more lives for less money.

  • 10 votes
#1.32 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:37 PM EST
Paddy Clarke

Very good point. Hospitals do overcharge for things. Heck a ride in an ambulance will run you $700.

Right, and they can do this because of what I mentioned before. YOU and ME are not paying this. Don't know about you but I will scream blue murder if I see that kind of overcharging on a bill. Sure, one cannot look up ambulance prices in an emergency but that again is part of the overcharging process. If I had to pay out of pocket for this, I'd sue the hopital for a 5-minute ride for which they billed at that stupid rate. I have actually experienced this. The ambulance ride was something like $2500 .... totally insane !! But I did not pursue this because guess what ? I had my insurance :)

But imagine the poor guy who did not have insurace. Techically he is paying out of pocket (actually he is paying jack because it is illegal to deny emergency care to anyone and it is paid by the heartless, no-good, selfish US taxpayer).

  • 7 votes
#1.33 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:40 PM EST
Allen Coat

Brad_440, thanks for the comment, I agree that health care and research should be more out of compassion, than profit, but unfortunately that profit has turned to greed.

  • 5 votes
#1.34 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:47 PM EST
Paddy Clarke

Exactly what advancements to health insurance companies make?

None whatsoever. These are made by the drug companies and device makers. These advancements are the reason why you have 30-day supplies of hundreds of life-saving drugs available at $4.

Health insurance companies ultimaltely pay the drug companies and device makers. Restrict that freedom and you are restricting the profit-margin. Technically, this is done by the market too. But if you do that via govt fiat, you are introducing inefficiencies (wastage of tax money via regulators) and corrution. The latter is a BIGGIE. because it puts lots of powers in the hands of a few politicians, introduces corruption on a MASSIVE scale (pay off politicians to get special exemptions and pass regulations to hamper competition).

  • 4 votes
#1.35 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:48 PM EST
Brad_440

Paddy,

There are already government regulators for drug companies. This won't be something new because of the new health care law. Someone has to regulate them and their products and no matter who it is a risk of corruption will be there. I would rather have a government with elected officials regulating than a company I have zero control over.

  • 4 votes
#1.36 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:07 PM EST
Greg Johnson-900798Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Beiber's degree in economics is obviously from the same school as obama's. And neither of them was born in America. :)

  • 10 votes
#1.37 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:11 PM EST
Santino42

Health insurance companies ultimaltely pay the drug companies and device makers.

Hospitals and health care providers pay the drug companies and makers - insurance companies get paid by the hospitals/providers.

  • 4 votes
#1.38 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:14 PM EST
angryirish

Considering the kid earned 65.4 million last year he should be a capitalist icon. Afterall he also lined the pockets of the 1%'ers that the Right loves so much.

Anybody know what he paid in taxes on that 65.4 mil? Just curious.

I doubt that he lined the 1%'ers pockets. 65M isn't enough for them to take notice of.

  • 1 vote
#1.39 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:25 PM EST
badchess

It's probably pretty complicated, as he'd have to put up with US taxes, Canadian taxes, state income taxes, etc.

  • 1 vote
#1.40 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:32 PM EST
landspirit

SeniorT

get a bullhorn and go repeat that on our southern border

We are planted firmly in between our southern border and Canada. It likely plays a huge role there.

  • 2 votes
#1.41 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:14 PM EST
madvargr

LOL

GOP talking points totally pwned by Justin Beiber.

It doesn't get more pathetic than that. Why not save yourselves the embarrassment and disband your worthless party now.

  • 13 votes
#1.42 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:37 PM EST
douglasq

I still don't know what the $#*& a Bieber is,

ROFL! I remember back before I knew what a Bieber was. Good times. :-)

  • 4 votes
#1.43 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:41 PM EST
badchess

Sadly I know who he is, but fortunately have never heard him make a sound, so I still count myself as ahead of the game.

    #1.44 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:53 PM EST
    gillanator

    No Gillanator,thats purely a lefty thing from the git go.You smoke,youre evil,you stink and you are a health hazzard,but we'll take your money as a downpayment for an unconstitutional healthcare bill that will have to pass and go into effect before we find out whats in it.Yeah,thats a lefty thing

    WTF ??? No you're not evil if you smoke... just stupid but it's not against the law to be stupid. Just an attraction for the right wing. Personally I wouldn't care if people who chose not to use the new health care system could opt out. 50 million uninsured people is enough to start their own health care system. But that's just my opinion.

    • 2 votes
    #1.45 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:09 PM EST
    RV in GB#1

    No you're not evil if you smoke... just stupid but it's not against the law to be stupid.

    I agree! You have to admit, that was too easy. ; )

    • 5 votes
    #1.46 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:44 PM EST
    SeniorTokarev

    All that says is that you don't speak for powers that be in the white house and congress at that time when they raised the taxes for smokers and Obama said it was a downpayment on his healthcare bill.I'll say it again,its definitely a lefty thing.When I was on the tarp covered patio at a bar and just paid an amazing $20 dollars for two lousy,watered down long island ice teas and $7 for a pack of smokes (NY in 2007)and then told I would have to go out into the pouring rain to have a smoke with my drink,thatpretty much tells me what they think of me.I wasn't the stupid one.I was the one being told by the left that I'm evil,I stink,and I'm a health hazard,but they'll take my money.And,thats why Obama will be a one term wonder that history will vilify and try to forget.His unconstitutional healthcare bill will be repealed and if we as a country can learn anything,we will put government on a crash diet.If its done right Justin Bieber will be begging to be a citizen here so he can hang on to whatever his accountants don't steal.And,if true justice prevails,I'll be the one who must rubberstamp his application for approval

    • 1 vote
    #1.47 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:37 PM EST
    Sally

    Someone please just box this Gayber disease up and toss it in a river.

    Shugga-Shugga, please don't death wish people, including Justin Bieber. Don't use gay slurs either.

    Thanks!

    • 20 votes
    #1.48 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:42 PM EST
    Cheeser

    Great hair is a sign of a brilliant mind. Einstein, anyone?

    • 6 votes
    #1.49 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:48 PM EST
    Widewillie

    Right, and they can do this because of what I mentioned before. YOU and ME are not paying this.

    actually he is paying jack because it is illegal to deny emergency care to anyone and it is paid by the heartless, no-good, selfish US taxpayer

    How are insurance company inefficiencies and wasteful spending...paid for via the collective pool of our premium dollars... any different than the inefficiencies and wasteful spending of our government which is paid for via the pool of our collective tax revenue?

    We pay for those over-charges and that wasteful spending in the form of higher premimums and co-pays....or reduce coverage and services.

    And, it's actually worse with insurance companies. The government (in theory) isn't trying to turn a profit, make dividends for shareholders and bonuses for executives.

    • 4 votes
    #1.50 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:39 PM EST
    buttzie

    A teenage Canadian kid can get all you adults to say the stupidestthings. It's also interesting to see that some of you Americans continue to be upset that the Canadian health system is better than yours. LOL

    • 10 votes
    #1.51 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:40 PM EST
    badchess

    Ummm, yeah, we are so upset we are saying "please don't do that to us..."

    • 2 votes
    #1.52 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:44 PM EST
    xrayspex

    Justin Bieber won't become a U.S. Citizen Nice to see at least one good thing has come out of the health care debate !!

    • 3 votes
    #1.53 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:46 PM EST
    Kshark

    *laughing too hard*

    Why does that seem like a NON-realistic interview. Why on earth would a teenage Canadian popstar actually be fussing, caring, or even talking one iota about the bloody US healthcare system in an interview? As if he really is THAT concerned by it.

    If I was Justin Bieber thinking like a teenager and pop sensation, the LAST thing I would be talking about in any interview is a political issue like this.

    This truly makes no sense. Also a kid like this would NOT make such a politically divisive comment especially since most of his following is so young and really don't even understand it all, and could actually possibly hurt his fanbase a bit of people upset he won't be a US citizen or dual citizen.

    Sorry I really don't believe this is legit, or it is tongue in cheek or edited. Something just does not seem right at all.

    This is also the same kid that in the interview actually said he doesn't believe in abortion and objects to it, and doesn't seem to support abortion even for raped women.

    WHAT TEEN KID even bothers talking about abortion?????

    • 7 votes
    #1.54 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:48 PM EST
    badchess

    One who has knocked up his girlfriend?

    • 7 votes
    #1.55 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:05 PM EST
    xrayspex

    Nice one badchess!!

    • 4 votes
    #1.56 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:09 PM EST
    badchess

    Thanks, I'll be here all week, try the veal...

    • 5 votes
    #1.57 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:12 PM EST
    truthseekerin10

    I find it extremely interesting that a number of persons are actually cheering this kid on, that speaks volumes about the mindset of some. Justin needs to read the following commentary, delivered back in 1973 by legendary Canadian broadcaster Gordon Sinclair:

    The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.

    As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.

    They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

    When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

    When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

    The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.

    I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.

    Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?

    You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.

    When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.

    When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.

    Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

    Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.

    I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.

    This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over… has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped.

    Source: http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm

    This commentary is also a part of the Congressional Record as posted.

    • 8 votes
    #1.58 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:23 PM EST
    gillanator

    Living on yesterdays glory. A lot has changed in this country in the past thirty eight years. You might want to get with the present.

    • 9 votes
    #1.59 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:36 PM EST
    truthseekerin10

    I'm with the present. Live in it every day but obviously in your blindness you missed the point, flew right over that lil head of yours.

    Try to keep up here, I know it's hard but you can do it if you try harder.

    • 5 votes
    #1.60 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:46 PM EST
    gillanator

    No actually truthseeker I have read the letter you copied and pasted many times. And I used to feel good about what it said. But this is a different time and place. So really you need to wake up and face reality. As a nation we don't have the same values or credibility that we had back then.

    • 7 votes
    #1.61 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:56 PM EST
    truthseekerin10

    Still not the point gillanator, and I face reality every single day just as you do. The fact remains that every bit of the letter is true and stands true to this very day. Tell me, do you happen to know how much money the United States poured into the Haitian relief effort as opposed to other countries? And this was a scant year ago.

    • 5 votes
    #1.62 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:27 PM EST
    Cheeser

    If we're going to judge the character of a country based on its government and not on its people, then US citizens have a lot to answer for. As do the citizens of every nation.

    The Canadian people are good people, for the most part. The American people are good people, for the most part. The difference between them is that the American people are getting screwed over by HMO's, whilst the Canadians are not.

    What relevance does Haiti have?

    • 8 votes
    #1.63 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:33 PM EST
    truthseekerin10

    Haiti is relevant to the conversation I'm having with gillinator in reference to the Gordon Sinclair commentary I posted.

    As for us getting screwed, I live fairly close to the Canadian Border and the city in which I live has a HUGEhospital conglomerate and tons of medical facilities of various kinds. The amount of Canadians who come here specifically because the waiting list for doctors in Canada is alarming to say the least. They come straight out of Alberta and some have told me there's a year's wait or more up there.

    I agre that there are tons of good Americans and tons of good Canadians. Justin Beiber is a 16 year old kid who's making millions of dollars off this country, he records here, he wins awards here,he tours here and he sells tons of records here. And perhaps he should focus more on thanking this country for his continued successes instead of biting the hand that's feeding him, his family, his girlfriend and his entourage.

    • 5 votes
    #1.64 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:41 PM EST
    Cheeser

    Nobody is forcing Americans to pay him.

    I don't exactly see why it is ungrateful to provide criticism.

    • 7 votes
    #1.65 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:44 PM EST
    Andy-534371

    This is on a list of things I didn't think I'd EVER say...

    But...

    I think Justin Bieber has a point.

    \o_0/

    • 6 votes
    #1.66 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:44 PM EST
    Digital-904078

    Justin Beiber is a 16 year old kid who's making millions of dollars off this country, he records here, he wins awards here,he tours here and he sells tons of records here. And perhaps he should focus more on thanking this country for his continued successes instead of biting the hand that's feeding him, his family, his girlfriend and his entourage.

    Or perhaps he should continue to spread the truth about the difference in healthcare between these two great countries. Basically you are an American citizen telling Canada that our healthcare is great and he's a Canadian telling America that his countries healthcare is great.

    • 3 votes
    #1.67 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:45 PM EST
    gillanator

    truthseeker - It is true that the US has given a lot of aid to Haiti. But so has a lot of countries in the world. You trying to downplay their contributions is misleading. And your experience with Canadian medical care is a lot different than what I hear from family I have living in Vancouver. They have never and to my understanding no one that they know has ever had a waiting period for any medical attention. But I will never forget the look of pissed off rage on my fathers face when he spoke of taking an elderly friend of his whose weight was down to 107 pounds and really sick to the hospital and sitting in the waiting room for over six hours before he was called back to a room, where they waited for another 55 minutes before a PA came in to see him where it was then decided he needed to be admitted. But this was in north eastern Ohio, not Canada. I also know that the last WHO ranking health care systems rated the US as number 37. Right below Costa Rica. And let's not even get started on how our educational system has dropped over the years. So don't start thinking were are at the to truthseeker, because that was back in the day. Not today.

    Also as far as Beiber goes. He might be making money in the US. But not anything compared to his producer and the recording companies. They want this guy in the US and anywhere else they can make money. So this is a capitalism thing. The right wing should be slobbering happy and supportive about the process of exploitation for profit. After all that is the right wing way.

    • 6 votes
    #1.68 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:49 PM EST
    buttzie

    The amount of Canadians who come here specifically because the waiting list for doctors in Canada is alarming to say the least.

    This has been disproved over and over again. It doesn't do anyone, any good to continue to spread this falsity.

    As for us getting screwed, I live fairly close to the Canadian Border and the city in which I live has a HUGEhospital conglomerate and tons of medical facilities of various kinds.

    Really, what city in Montana do you live in? Great falls? I wonder if it's as big as any of 88(i quit counting) hospitals/facilitiesin Alberta? You may be able to fool some who doesn't know any better. But you can't fool a Canadian(like me) with your untruths. Truthseeker indeed.

    A sixteen year old kid laughingly makes a comment as a joke. And the lot of you go this extent to rebuke him? Doesn't say much about you adults. P.S. He is also against abortion and sex before being in love. He's just a kid that happens whose quotes are spread via mass media.

    P.S. what he makes in the US in but a minor percentage of his world wide earnings.

    • 8 votes
    #1.69 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:09 PM EST
    buttzie

    He's just a kid that happens whose quotes are spread via mass media.

    Chalk this muddled sentence up to too much vino after dinner.

    • 2 votes
    #1.70 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:16 PM EST
    gillanator

    buttzie - Thanks for giving us accurate information about the Canadian Health Care system.

    • 2 votes
    #1.71 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:16 PM EST
    Chris-735081

    From the mouths of children: WISDOM.

    • 2 votes
    #1.72 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:53 PM EST
    Reliant

    Insurance Companies are a Parasite on the American Healthcare system, Their object is to make profits not to improve medical treatment. Profits are better placed with the drug companies and prosthetic companies and Dr's and Hospitals.

    Rail against this little rich pop star all you want, but now 20 Million 14 Year Old Girls all across America believe that same thing.... The Seed is planted just wait a about 15 years and it will bear the fruit.......lol....

    • 2 votes
    #1.73 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:20 AM EST
    Levi777

    I say good news. America has enough problems without another spoiled brat running amok on US soil.

    • 1 vote
    #1.74 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:54 AM EST
    Buzz of the Orient

    Before everybody gets their b*lls in an uproar, maybe the mature, common sense, thing to do is wait to see what is actually said in the Rolling Stone interview. First of all, what you see here just might not be accurately reported, and secondly, how do you know how the interview questions to him were couched before you all jump to conclusions. One might wonder, as have a number of viners on this seed, why he would even broach the subjects of health care or abortion. Perhaps it has somethng to do with the way questions were asked of him. So sit tight, don't mouth off your own personal prejudices, and wait to see what was actually asked and answered.

    • 4 votes
    #1.75 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:00 AM EST
    Dustin-265090

    Hmm...

    I agree that the United States should have universal healthcare, but I can't help but side with some of the upset commenters here about the overall tone of what the kid said.

    Canadians (at least the vast majority I have met) have this penis envy issue with the U.S., where at every opportunity, they have to tread all over the United States and act like a bunch of fools. I've never once encountered a single nationality that was so disrespectful of another nation, not only at home, but even worse, abroad. Common thought is that Americans are the worst, but Canada definitely takes the cake.

    I don't know if their attitude is borne of European attitudes, but it definitely needs to stop. Canada exists in it's form as a direct result of the United States. That nation would be a very different place, and not at all as peace-loving if it weren't for the "big brother" down south fighting all the battles.

    Justin Bieber, like all Canadians I have met, needs to learn some respect and become an example of how Canadians should speak publicly and act abroad. After all, he should know better than others that the opportunities he has been given in life may have started in Canada, but would not exist if it weren't for these United States and certainly, he wouldn't be an international superstar without America's Hollywood, it's economy, or it's millions of adoring fans.

    Point blank...Justin Bieber needs to do some serious growing up!

    • 1 vote
    #1.76 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:51 AM EST
    Buzz of the Orient

    Just how many Canadians HAVE you met? Canadians have no more of a superior complex than Americans do. As neighbours there have been mutual benefits, and frankly I resent your suggestion that Canadians tread all over the USA and act like a bunch of fools. I've travelled thfough lots of areas of the USA and I have never shown disrespect to Americans or the USA, and I am sure that attitude has been relatively universal.

    By the way, as for "big brother" fighting all the battles, Canada was in WW2 long before the USA was, and my fighter pilot cousin was shot down over Europe well before an American was killed in that war.

    Although it has not been the same for quite a long time, when I first started to travel the world about half a century ago, Americans would attach Canadian flags to their backpacks for a damn good reason.

    • 9 votes
    #1.77 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:16 AM EST
    gillanator

    would not exist if it weren't for these United States and certainly, he wouldn't be an international superstar without America's Hollywood

    Most of Hollywood is liberal and feel the same way as Beiber.

    it's economy

    The economy happens to be in the dumper in case you haven't been following.

    Beiber has fans and sales all over the world. And companies based in the US has made more money off of Beiber than he has made off of them.

    Point blank...Justin Bieber needs to do some serious growing up!

    True Beiber is young and hasn't learned that he should keep the truth to himself. I'm sure after he has worked in the U.S. for a while he will become an excellent liar.

    • 4 votes
    #1.78 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:07 AM EST
    buttzie

    @gillanator- your welcome

    @dustin

    I've never once encountered a single nationality that was so disrespectful of another nation, not only at home, but even worse, abroad. Common thought is that Americans are the worst, but Canada definitely takes the cake.

    Canada exists in it's form as a direct result of the United States. That nation would be a very different place, and not at all as peace-loving if it weren't for the "big brother" down south fighting all the battles.

    These quotes are right up there on my list of people wanting to be more intelligent than they are. Seriously, fighting all the battles. What a crock. The only thing your doing is emphasizing the reason why Canadians may "tread all over the United States".

    If you want people to take you seriously while having a dissenting point of view, try and maintain a critical point of view that doesn't wander from the cold hard facts.

    Hard to believe the same person posted these three statements. The hypocrisy stinks like my dogs s hit pile.

    • 6 votes
    #1.79 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:32 AM EST
    Dustin-265090

    Just how many Canadians HAVE you met? Canadians have no more of a superior complex than Americans do. As neighbours there have been mutual benefits, and frankly I resent your suggestion that Canadians tread all over the USA and act like a bunch of fools. I've travelled thfough lots of areas of the USA and I have never shown disrespect to Americans or the USA, and I am sure that attitude has been relatively universal.

    I met quite enough, thank you. I resent any implication that Canadians are generally respectful of Americans. Not only has Justin Bieber displayed the prevailing attitude of Canada, but your news and media is constantly beating up on the U.S., and with the highest degree of snobbery. Your Consulate to the United States in Washington, D.C. was even revealed to have been designed to criticize the United States...a pitiful demonstration of bad faith that is unrivaled in contemporary history. Here's just a few examples of Canadian anti-American sentiment:

    • http://www.filibustercartoons.com/New%20Canada%20Guide/index.php?page=americans
    • http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15638-2004Nov26.html
    • http://www.newsweek.com/2009/09/14/canada-grows-up.html (I don't agree with Newsweek that anti-American sentiment has lightened, but I wanted to highlight a counter view)
    • http://www.canadaandtheworld.com/anti-americanism.html
    • http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ifCD8GpkaKPa6MaovoKQq5YmFk1A?docId=CNG.fa0914aaf88efbfc94d9b1b4fc7fecae.831
    • http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/feb/17/barack-obama-canada
    • http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1211969

    As you can see, even Canadians are immensely concerned over the sheer level of anti-American sentiment in Canadian media, politics, and culture.

    By the way, as for "big brother" fighting all the battles, Canada was in WW2 long before the USA was, and my fighter pilot cousin was shot down over Europe well before an American was killed in that war.

    That is of ZERO consequence. The Canadian government did not want to enter World War 2, but had no choice because, as a member of the United Kingdom, their participation was not merely implied, but demanded by the crown.

    Although it has not been the same for quite a long time, when I first started to travel the world about half a century ago, Americans would attach Canadian flags to their backpacks for a damn good reason.

    Yes, we have to take the brunt of international criticism because since World War 1, the collective governments of the western world have called on the United States to be the voice and weapon of our civilizations, and we have dutifully met the responsibilities of being the western world's superpower, not matter the cost to our people or image.

    Most of Hollywood is liberal and feel the same way as Beiber.

    NONE of Hollywood exhibits an anti-American sentiment. Period.

    The economy happens to be in the dumper in case you haven't been following.

    No matter. The power and influence of the American economy is still the greatest in the world, and Canada depends on this. Hence the reason why the Canadian dollar is tied to the U.S. Dollar.

    Beiber has fans and sales all over the world. And companies based in the US has made more money off of Beiber than he has made off of them.

    Still pointless. There isn't a single Canadian company capable of the same representation as his U.S. record label, hence the point behind my statement.

    True Beiber is young and hasn't learned that he should keep the truth to himself. I'm sure after he has worked in the U.S. for a while he will become an excellent liar.

    He should never lie, and you look bad for suggesting it. He needs to learn to temper his statements, not hide any truths. His mistake was showing resentment toward America.

    • 3 votes
    #1.80 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:11 AM EST
    Dustin-265090

    These quotes are right up there on my list of people wanting to be more intelligent than they are. Seriously, fighting all the battles. What a crock. The only thing your doing is emphasizing the reason why Canadians may "tread all over the United States".

    Hard to believe the same person posted these three statements. The hypocrisy stinks like my dogs s hit pile.

    You don't expect anyone to see your comments as scholarly, do you?

    Reported to NV.

    • 2 votes
    #1.81 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:14 AM EST
    Buzz of the Orient

    Dustin, the author of your first link was so full of exaggerations I'll not be opening the others. (Example: "The bookstores are FULL of books like these" ) But what you should not forget is what he did say at the end:

    "Regardless, Canada and America are probably more alike than any other two nations on earth. Though we certainly have our differences and disputes, the two countries and their people will always share a very special and close bond."

    I would not try to tear that bond apart, nor should you.

    • 6 votes
    #1.82 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:11 PM EST
    buttzie

    No matter. The power and influence of the American economy is still the greatest in the world, and Canada depends on this. Hence the reason why the Canadian dollar is tied to the U.S. Dollar.

    You don't expect anyone to see your comments as scholarly, do you?

    Ditto...the canadian dollar is tied to its resource base economy. If it was tied to the US $ why has it been reaching record marks. Right scholarly of you suggest otherwise. lol

    That is of ZERO consequence. The Canadian government did not want to enter World War 2, but had no choice because, as a member of the United Kingdom, their participation was not merely implied, but demanded by the crown.

    On Sept 10th 1939, the Parliament of Canada declare war on Germany. This was the first independent declaration of war by Canada. Now if your talking WW one, Canada was called upon as a dominion of Great Britain to join the war-It was considered automatic. Additionally, it was the Governor General who declared war not parliament. There were many who disapproved including and most notably the province of Quebec. Not very scholarly of you to suggest otherwise.lol

    Personally I believe the people that are condemning a 16 yr old for a comment jokingly made are being silly and have a certain penis envy as well. Plus to suggest that he should show more respect to Americans as a whole is more convenient than necessary.

    Still pointless. There isn't a single Canadian company capable of the same representation as his U.S. record label, hence the point behind my statement.

    What in the world would make you think that only a American producer could represent him any better than a Canadian. My god man your full of yourself and your country. I bet you s hit red, white and blue. Should I assume that you are a scholar of the American music industry as well?lol

    • 6 votes
    #1.83 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:12 PM EST
    Dustin-265090

    What exaggerations, exactly? So you'll play ignorant because you didn't like one of the links??

    I would not try to tear that bond apart, nor should you.

    That we are close does not imply that I should refrain from being critical of unwarranted anti-Americanism from Canadians.

    Oh, and FYI -- the quote that you posted was not meant to imply that Americans should act like better neighbors, it was meant to highlight that it is foolish for Canadians to be resentful of Americans, as we are a major part of your identity.

    What I find especially pointed is that I have not once said anything unsubstantiated or unfair about Canadians, yet you've come out in force to be hateful toward me because I have pointed out a truth.

    • 2 votes
    #1.84 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:16 PM EST
    truthseekerin10

    Really, what city in Montana do you live in? Great falls? I wonder if it's as big as any of 88(i quit counting) hospitals/facilitiesin Alberta? You may be able to fool some who doesn't know any better. But you can't fool a Canadian(like me) with your untruths. Truthseeker indeed.

    Untruths my ass, I'm telling you what I see on a daily basis and I don't give a @!$%# if you have 188 hospitals in Alberta. I talk on a regular basis with people who come here because they can't get an appointment up there for a long time and for you to deny this ver absolute TRUTH is about as hypocritical as it gets. My girfriend works for Benefis and she deals with Canadians here for medical services on a daily basis, and again I don't give a @!$%# if you believe me or not, it's happening regularly.

    Furthermore, since a lot of you wanna look down your noses at us and think we're such a bad place why don't you just stay the @!$%# out. Nobody asks you to come down here. All you do is come down here and complain about how bad it is, don't like it don't come here, problem solved.

    • 4 votes
    #1.85 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:21 PM EST
    truthseekerin10

    Just how many Canadians HAVE you met?

    Way too many

    Canadians have no more of a superior complex than Americans do

    Yeah, they do.

    • 5 votes
    #1.86 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:23 PM EST
    Buzz of the Orient

    Hateful? My, you ARE paranoid, aren't you.

    Don't forget that good-natured criticism is not limited to a southward direction. ("Blame Canada" - South Park)

    Looks like buttzie hit the nail on the head.

    • 5 votes
    #1.87 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:29 PM EST
    Fred Evil

    Just how many Canadians HAVE you met?

    Way too many

    Wow, I have never met anyone with as visceral a reaction to Canadians as you. Every Canadian I have ever met has been very relaxed, cool, easy-going folk.

    If someone's got a twig in their tail, I strongly doubt it's the Canadians here.

    • 4 votes
    #1.88 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:39 PM EST
    Dustin-265090

    Ditto...the canadian dollar is tied to its resource base economy. If it was tied to the US $ why has it been reaching record marks. Right scholarly of you suggest otherwise. lol

    The Canadian dollar only floats when it's value is respective of the U.S. Dollar, and the exchange rate is pegged with the American dollar at 1.1 CAN to 1 USD. This is a historic standard. Read your history and learn some more about economics. Canada's government knows that the Canadian dollar should not exceed the value of the U.S. Dollar by more than 1.25 times, as exports from the U.S. will become scarce.

    On Sept 10th 1939, the Parliament of Canada declare war on Germany. This was the first independent declaration of war by Canada. Now if your talking WW one, Canada was called upon as a dominion of Great Britain to join the war-It was considered automatic. Additionally, it was the Governor General who declared war not parliament. There were many who disapproved including and most notably the province of Quebec. Not very scholarly of you to suggest otherwise.lol

    Hey, next time you steal verbatim quotes from Wikipedia, you need to provide credit, and it would be even better to read the whole thing. The government of Canada delayed a vote by parliament to declare war against Germany by more than a week, all the while pronouncing reasons why Canada was not required to enter the war by virtue of relationship to the commonwealth of nations. What you also missed is that though Canada was at the time considered a sovereign, the King of England was the reigning monarch of Canada, and his declarations of war under the rules of the old dominion demanded participation by Canada.

    Anyways, you've missed the point for the second time. As a member of the Commonwealth, WWII was Canada's war, but it was never the war of the United States and likely never would have been.

    Personally I believe the people that are condemning a 16 yr old for a comment jokingly made are being silly and have a certain penis envy as well. Plus to suggest that he should show more respect to Americans as a whole is more convenient than necessary.

    If he's old enough to perform in front of millions, he's old enough to be taught that criticizing a nation you are currently and regularly a guest in, is totally inappropriate. Dear god...even Ozzy Osbourne understands how important it is to be a gracious guest, I think a 16 year old with his full faculties should know as much as Ozzy.

    What in the world would make you think that only a American producer could represent him any better than a Canadian. My god man your full of yourself and your country. I bet you s hit red, white and blue. Should I assume that you are a scholar of the American music industry as well?lol

    I said label...can you read? It's a matter of fact, pure and simple. You name me one Canadian label that is the size of Island/Universal or even has remotely the same level of influence, and I will concede that point.

    You know, you've brought to light a big reason why Canadians are so bitter toward Americans...you just don't like it when we're bigger or better at something. You can't simply be humble and accept the truth, it's incensing to you that I would even put it into words that we are clearly better at something. Well guess what, there's just one No.1 position in anything, and that's life. There's nothing imperialistic about being in that position, or acknowledging it. Get used to it.

    • 1 vote
    #1.89 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:44 PM EST
    Dustin-265090

    Don't forget that good-natured criticism is not limited to a southward direction. ("Blame Canada" - South Park)

    Looks like buttzie hit the nail on the head.

    One song written by two jackasses, and you think you've uncovered a raging American hard on for anything anti-Canadian?

    Pathetic. Find some real examples.

    • 2 votes
    #1.90 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:46 PM EST
    Dustin-265090

    The Canadian dollar only floats when it's value is respective of the U.S. Dollar, and the exchange rate is pegged with the American dollar at 1.1 CAN to 1 USD

    Meant "and the exchange rate is pegged with the American dollar at 1.1 CAN to 1 USD when the Canadian dollar loses enough value."

    • 1 vote
    #1.91 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:48 PM EST
    truthseekerin10

    My, you ARE paranoid, aren't you.

    I'm not paranoid in any way shape nor form, just telling the truth.

    • 5 votes
    #1.92 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:11 PM EST
    Kshark

    badchess--

    Nah most run, and knock up the next girl to come along.

    But hey Bieber also said regarding rape and abortion he thinks its really sad "but everything happens for a reason...."

    What a guy.

    • 6 votes
    #1.93 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:23 PM EST
    Lkessler

    The way I see it, hey, he can take his rear end back to Canada if he doesn't like it here.

    No one asked you to come on over, Biebs... Feel free to mosey on back to your lovely homeland.

    • 4 votes
    #1.94 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:30 PM EST
    Buzz of the Orient

    Truthseeker, I was not addressing you. You are not the person who unjustly called me hateful.

    I must say, however, how surprised I am to see the bitterness arising from some Americans. I cannot believe the majority of Americans feel the same way about Canadians. Would you rather share the longest unguarded border in the world with Iran or North Korea?

    I don't profess to have more than a cursory knowledge of economics, but I always thought that the dollar being pegged meant that it rose and fell in lockstep with another currency. In my lifetime I have seen the Canadian dollar rise and fall against the American dollar from a value of around US$1.25 to around US$0.75, and it had to do with various economic conditions such as import/export that prevented it from a more extreme spread.

    • 4 votes
    #1.95 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:44 PM EST
    truthseekerin10

    Truthseeker, I was not addressing you. You are not the person who unjustly called me hateful.

    Okay no problem, my bad, I guess I jumped the gun because your post was directly below mine, sorry about that!

    As for the bitterness, you know, Justin Beiber is a 16 year old kid who's making millions and millions of dollars off this country. Perhaps he should be thanking the record company, the fans who go to his concerts and buy his lil records instead of dissing this country over health care or simply keep his juvenile mouth shut.

    • 2 votes
    #1.96 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:06 PM EST
    Iceman25-835270

    Buzz, we Americans love Canada. Of course we are going to have our differences of opinion from time to time. However, we have more is common than differences.

    However, it is one thing for an American to say negative things about our systems but it is another thing when Canadians or any other non-US citizen say bad things about our systems. I really don't like Pres. Obama or his policies, but I still get pissed when people from outside the US say negative things about him. He may be a bad president in my view, but he is still my president. Does that make sense.

    The majority of Americans are very proud of the flag and everything it represents and I for one wouldn't want to live any other place. I'm sure you feel the same way about Canada (I hear is a pretty place).

    The fact is the US is an easy target for everybody in the world to attack. We can take it, we are big boy nation. But as a citizen of the US sometimes enough is enough. We know who we are. We know that the world looks to us to take the lead in any conflict or natural disaster. It is tough being the big kid on the block.

    No worries. Canada is among the UK, Poland and Australia as one of our best allies.

    • 1 vote
    #1.97 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:06 PM EST
    Levi777

    My disdain for the young man came when he laughingly dumped a full, large cup of soda on a State Trooper from a balcony above him, and his publicist talked the State Patrolman's supervisor out of citing him. That is a construct that does not occur in a vacuum, and I have trouble believing his juvenile delinquence is limited to that one event. So he can sing and prance around on stage. It was a WHOLE lot of marketing and promotion by others to make him famous, so what is his true value and contribution? And as Madonna sang and pranced around in her underwear and impacted a whole generation of young women, so Justin Bieber is the latest influence on a generation looking for the meaning of it all.

    • 4 votes
    #1.98 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:09 PM EST
    Santino42

    As for the bitterness, you know, Justin Beiber is a 16 year old kid who's making millions and millions of dollars off this country. Perhaps he should be thanking the record company, the fans who go to his concerts and buy his lil records instead of dissing this country over health care or simply keep his juvenile mouth shut.

    Did you read the article - he was asked a question and he answered. It's called an interview. Or should everyone just keep their mouths shut if truthseekerin10 disagrees with them...LOL.

    • 6 votes
    #1.99 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:11 PM EST
    buttzie

    I said label...can you read? It's a matter of fact, pure and simple. You name me one Canadian label that is the size of Island/Universal or even has remotely the same level of influence, and I will concede that point.

    That would be the Warner Music Group- CEO Edgar Bronfman jr.

    You know, you've brought to light a big reason why Canadians are so bitter toward Americans...you just don't like it when we're bigger or better at something. You can't simply be humble and accept the truth,

    That's not how the rest of the world views Canadians.

    Hey, next time you steal verbatim quotes from Wikipedia,

    Try that again-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Canada_during_the_Second_World_War

    If you were read further down, you would have seen that then Prime Minister did not want Canada to automatically enter into the war by commonwealth proclamation. He wanted it to be a Canadian decision, so he put it to Parliament. Hence the declaration of war one week later by the Parliamentof Canada. That is why the Governor General -the kings representative did not. It had nothing to do with being sovereign-to which we still are today. If this was the case, why did we not join Great Britian in Iraq?(second go around) To sum it up for you, your comment was true if we were speaking of the first world war. As I stated...

    Canada's government knows that the Canadian dollar should not exceed the value of the U.S. Dollar by more than 1.25 times, as exports from the U.S. will become scarce.

    The Canadian govt. can only use interest rates(for the most part)to deter the dollar from rising. The 1.25 times is not set by the govt.- it is a educated guess on the part of Canadian economists. Since Canada and the US are the largest trading partners in the world, and since the US imports mainly resources (Can. being your largest importer of oil as an example). The majority of our exporting is resources, therefore our dollar is paired with those exports.

    If he's old enough to perform in front of millions, he's old enough to be taught that criticizing a nation you are currently and regularly a guest in, is totally inappropriate. Dear god...even Ozzy Osbourne understands how important it is to be a gracious guest, I think a 16 year old with his full faculties should know as much as Ozzy.

    Bull s hit excuse to rail on about your arrogance. At least this 16 yr old has not been arrested in the US. Can't say the same for Ozzy. Now that he is older I'm sure he is much more gracious.

    • 3 votes
    #1.100 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:00 PM EST
    buttzie

    And by the way have any of you offended Americans considered why the hell was a 16 yr.old kid ask such questions?? Why don't you show your displeasure at the adult reporter for asking adult questions?? F.Y.I.- He was also asked about pre-marital sex, abortion, rape related to abortion. If anyone should be ashamed of what they've done, it should be Rolling Stone mag. Gees, you people are blinded by your arrogance.

    • 5 votes
    #1.101 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:43 PM EST
    Widewillie

    My disdain for the young man

    ...as stated...is based on a fallacy!!

    In typical Glenn Beck/Michael Moore facts-be-damned style, you take an actual story or fact...mix in a bit conjecture and fantasy...then twist it ALL THE @!$%# AROUND...and used the new-improved-fake story to retroactively justify your disdain.

    he laughingly dumped a full, large cup of soda on a State Trooper from a balcony above him, and his publicist talked the State Patrolman's supervisor out of citing him.

    That's not even close to what happened. The REAL underlying story bears almost no resemblance to the version your promoting!

    He threw some water balloons at people standing backstage. One balloon soaked a state trooper, Mr. Beiber's body guard talked the trooper out of citing him.

    No balcony...no full, large cup of soda being dumped on anyone...no publicist... no trooper supervisor intervening.

    That is a construct that does not occur in a vacuum,

    Neither does the practiced art of twisting the real facts & stories around to align with a person's pre-existing world view.

    If a throwing a few water balloons is a sure sign of his budding juvenile delinquency...what is repeatedly being throwing around false stories and promoting opinions based on falsified events a sure sign of??

    • 3 votes
    #1.102 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:36 AM EST
    RV in GB#1

    Most of Hollywood is liberal and feel the same way as Beiber.

    I didn't know that Hollywood is anti-abortion!

    In the video above, AJ Hammer from HLN's Showbiz Tonight reports that Justin Bieber is turning heads following a Rolling Stone article in which he talked about his opposition to abortion, even in cases of rape.

    • 1 vote
    #1.103 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:55 PM EST
    Dustin-265090

    That would be the Warner Music Group- CEO Edgar Bronfman jr.

    Warner Music Group is an American company...I'm not even going to bother asking how you got that one wrong...but I'd have thought you'd have been clued in by the name...Warner, as in Time Warner/Warner Brothers.

    If you were read further down, you would have seen that then Prime Minister did not want Canada to automatically enter into the war by commonwealth proclamation. He wanted it to be a Canadian decision, so he put it to Parliament. Hence the declaration of war one week later by the Parliamentof Canada. That is why the Governor General -the kings representative did not. It had nothing to do with being sovereign-to which we still are today. If this was the case, why did we not join Great Britian in Iraq?(second go around) To sum it up for you, your comment was true if we were speaking of the first world war. As I stated...

    You just made my point. The Governor General should have followed the King's orders, as Canada only had limited autonomy under the laws of the "old dominion." I'm seriously starting to question your reading skills.

    The Canadian govt. can only use interest rates(for the most part)to deter the dollar from rising. The 1.25 times is not set by the govt.- it is a educated guess on the part of Canadian economists. Since Canada and the US are the largest trading partners in the world, and since the US imports mainly resources (Can. being your largest importer of oil as an example). The majority of our exporting is resources, therefore our dollar is paired with those exports.

    That was the absolute worst interpretation of economics I have ever seen in my life! The 1.25 barrier is not a "set" thing, but a maximum mark for which inflation against the USD is generally allowed, to which point the value of the CAN dollar would be frozen. It would create a trade gap otherwise. Further, Canada isn't one of the biggest trading partners, not even close...think Asia as a whole, and the United States. We do not source oil or resources from Canada on a large scale...our oil comes from the middle east, south america, and Alaska. Canada holds most of it's oil as reserves, like we do. We don't even get natural gas from Canada. You couldn't understand economics if you tried.

    Bull s hit excuse to rail on about your arrogance. At least this 16 yr old has not been arrested in the US. Can't say the same for Ozzy. Now that he is older I'm sure he is much more gracious.

    What a mature and centered response. Ozzy Osbourne has always been known for his respect toward host nations, even when he was being investigated by the FBI. What's bull is that you're so arrogant, you think it impossible for an old rocker to be more polite than a kid.

      #1.104 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:32 PM EST
      Widewillie

      Dustin,

      I don't mean to step into the middle of your guys...discussion...but I'm confused by what you mean when you say:

      We do not source oil or resources from Canada on a large scale...our oil comes from the middle east, south america, and Alaska. Canada holds most of it's oil as reserves, like we do. We don't even get natural gas from Canada.

      Sure, we get a lot of oil from Alaska.

      But Canada is...by FAR AND AWAY...the largest source for US crude, petroleum and natural gas imports!?

      We actually import FAR MORE oil and natural gas from Canada than from any country in the middle east or South America.

      And, Mexico is our second largest source of imported crude & petroleum...again, more than any middle eastern or South American country. Trinidad for natural gas.

      • 4 votes
      #1.105 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:39 PM EST
      buttzie

      Warner, as in Time Warner/Warner Brothers.

      I thought you were a wiki user? It's no longer owned by Time Warner, it's owned by Bronfman...who along with other Canadian investors purchased it in 2004. Which makes Warner Music Group Canadian.

      You just made my point.

      Your point was the Governor General should have followed the king's order? really? I believe you've forgotten what you posted. Because that wasn't your point. Even so, your point is mute since the Parliament of Canada did. Which makes my point correct.

      What a mature and centered response.

      Your opinion and since you brought it up. How mature is it to get your panties in a bunch over comments of a 16 yr. old?? You look rather foolish to me. Additionally, Osborne was a hell raiser in the US as a young man. Did you find him respectful then? Perhaps, you can give Beiber the same indulgences and let him mature on his own.

      Further, Canada isn't one of the biggest trading partners, not even close...think Asia as a whole, and the United States. We do not source oil or resources from Canada on a large scale

      Weak, very weak. What's the point of having a discussion on economics with you when your not well informed. I believe you may have to hit wikipedia again. Hopefully you can get through it all. lol

      Enjoy your studies.

      • 4 votes
      #1.106 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:38 PM EST
      Buzz of the Orient

      Dustin appears to be a great source of misinformation. That's really no different than a lot of newsviners, especially those who argue politics or religion.

      • 3 votes
      #1.107 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:25 PM EST
      Cather

      Maybe if he needs medical attention his body guard can drop him off at the Canadian border!

      No need. Like most Canadians who travel to the States, we purchase insurance when we travel there to cover any shortages that may occur from any employers extra coverage if someone has it.

      Sorry to the poster that had to drive around looking for an x-ray machine. When my 8 yr old daughter broke her leg at school and had to be driven to a hospital by ambulance, all of the ones in our city have several. She spent 1 month in traction in hospital following a 2 1/2 hour surgery and then follow up with physio in our home as well as follow up with the surgeon every few months etc(x-rays included each time). After a couple of months in a wheelchair I am happy to report that she is all better, and it cost us nothing. All the hospitals I have been to have all had x-ray machines, but I haven't been to small rural ones though. I have lived in several provinces and hadn't heard that about any hospital, but I don't know that it couldn't happen. Sorry.

      I think every system has it's faults, or areas that it can improve, but I have to say that after that and given the fact that my daughter was also preemie and spent another month in the neo natal ICU when she was born....as well as my own treatments that would cost about $2000 a month to treat, not to mention specialist appointments etc....I am very happy that I live here and not in the States. That is not meant in any way to be disparaging. My sister who is a nurse living in Texas is happy that I do as well...and yes, we get along lol

      I think the biggest problem facing our healthcare is Doctor and Nursing shortages.

      Since this article wasn't written by a Canadian or an American, I thought it may be of some interest to some here concerning how others might view us in the world. A little dated but nevertheless.

      Btw, I remember after 9/11. all the newspapers printing an American flag on the front page so everyone could place it in their window as remembrance and support. I also remember the trips planned here from the tourist bureau to bring money back into NYC afterwards to help rebuild. I personally know of forensic dentists that went down to help with identifying victims, as well as other support people. We have our @!$%#s too, that doesn't appear to be nationally specific.

      • 1 vote
      #1.108 - Sat Apr 2, 2011 12:36 AM EDT
      Cather

      Sorry, links don't appear to be posting for the article for some reason.

      It was for an article called ......Salute to a Brave and Modest Nation -
      Kevin Myers, The Sunday Telegraph LONDON....if anyone wanted to look it up. I know my friends in the states have not really heard much about Canada, given how many think I use snowshoes to get around lol

      • 1 vote
      #1.109 - Sat Apr 2, 2011 2:39 AM EDT
      Tony Wlliams

      Cather

      When you copy the link you wish to post remember to delete the:

      http://

      that way it becomes a link. Have a great day.

      • 2 votes
      #1.110 - Sun Apr 3, 2011 4:21 PM EDT
      Cather

      Thank you, I was wondering what the trouble was. I didn't realize that I had been doing it differently than I had before when they worked. :)

      • 2 votes
      #1.111 - Sun Apr 3, 2011 7:03 PM EDT
      Tony Wlliams

      :) No Problem

      • 2 votes
      #1.112 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 7:01 PM EDT
      Reply
      River-239955

      My premiums are sure cramping my style, but I'm glad to have it, and can possibly look forward to a small price reduction next year.

      Off-topic.... I had not realized the kid wasn't American. :)

      • 8 votes
      Reply#2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:03 PM EST
      Allen Coat

      River, I agree, I have had cancer and would be in the poor house without insurance. Fortunately for me, the company I worked for had a good insurance plan, so I am financially OK. But those who don't are either broke or dead.

      • 12 votes
      #2.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:21 PM EST
      deepwater don

      With your health care price reduction maybe you will want to buy more of his CDs. This punk should shut his 14 year old mouth and get his ass out of the United States. Hope he pays U.S. taxes on all the money he made here on 12 yr. old pre-pubescent fans.

      • 4 votes
      #2.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:23 PM EST
      Allen Coat

      Deepwater Dan, are you angry because he is a young rich Canadian or that he is right? Our for profit insurance companies only care about their financial bottom line, not the the health of the patient.

      • 19 votes
      #2.3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:35 PM EST
      River-239955

      I'm not sure what your problem is, but there's no need to be rude. With my health care price reduction I will have just a few more pennies to spend on food, not that it is, or will ever be, a single sliver of your business what I do with my own damned money.

      I've not bought a CD of anyone in years, nor will I. I think it's a foolish investment. Just have yourself a looksee at how many American dollars are wasted every year on it, though. Your hostility would be better spent on those who are blowing their money.

      • 6 votes
      #2.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:38 PM EST
      deepwater don

      I do not like a 14 yr. old, Canadian citizen criticising how my country works. I am no fan of the medical/pharma/ health insurance conspiracy, and never have been. I just think this punk is a loud mouthed, no talent tennager who is way overblown in his own mind, and stuck his 14 yr. old lack of knowledge into a topic he knows nothing about. And then he proves it by opening his mouth. P.S. I don't like his music either.

      • 4 votes
      #2.5 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:00 PM EST
      1devon

      I think he's older than 14 but at any rate, he was asked a question....and he answered it. I don't understand getting so worked up over his response. I don't necessarily agree with him on the abortion issue, but I'm certainly not going to go foaming at the mouth over it.

      • 7 votes
      #2.6 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:12 PM EST
      Sharpear

      If you can't handle a little criticism from a 16 year old Canadian kid, how do you deal with your own kids? hehe. Grow a thicker skin people. Although I agree with him, his opinion is as irrelevant as any other pop stars. BTW, he forks over 50% of his millions right off the top for his citizenship. If he were smarter, he'd become a U.S. citizen and reduce that to about 17%....

      • 4 votes
      #2.7 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:29 PM EST
      Allen Coat

      Sharpear, Thanks for the comment, and well put. I think it has to do with the fact he is a foreigner, and that he is probably right, so that is why his comments were attacked.

      • 8 votes
      #2.8 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:52 PM EST
      Santino42

      I do not like a 14 yr. old, Canadian citizen criticising how my country works.

      LOL...that is too funny - your country? Don't travel abroad much do you deepwater don...guess what many people criticize many nations across the globe and our beloved US is no different.

      • 7 votes
      #2.9 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:20 PM EST
      CM77

      Agreed 100% Deep. 100%.

      • 1 vote
      #2.10 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:21 PM EST
      deepwater don

      Santino42. No I do not travel abroad. Do not have, nor do I want a passport. I have not seen all fifty states in my own country and will not spend any of my money in another country for travel. How did those vacations in Egypt play out, how many spring breakers are booked for Juarez, Mexico, and a good old vacation to some puppet dictators country in South Americas,(read Haiti, if you want) is definitely not on my travel plans. Go if you wish, but don't suggest I do.

        #2.11 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:19 PM EST
        demmywemmy

        2.11 has got to be the saddest post I've read at NV- ever.

        Baby baby baby Oh!

        • 6 votes
        #2.12 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:01 AM EST
        Dustin-265090

        I do not like a 14 yr. old, Canadian citizen criticising how my country works. I am no fan of the medical/pharma/ health insurance conspiracy, and never have been. I just think this punk is a loud mouthed, no talent tennager who is way overblown in his own mind, and stuck his 14 yr. old lack of knowledge into a topic he knows nothing about. And then he proves it by opening his mouth. P.S. I don't like his music either.

        Don, I think you need to do a better job of expressing your frustration.

        Just like you, I picked up a rather unsavory tone coming from this kid's criticisms, but that doesn't mean I need to attack everything that he is.

        I happen to agree with many others on this vine that our for-profit system is bad for this country, and should be replaced with universal healthcare.

        If you want people to take you seriously while having a dissenting point of view, try and maintain a critical point of view that doesn't wander from the cold hard facts. It is a matter of fact that this kid very carelessly and rather rudely criticized our country, rather than offering constructive criticism. For that, he deserves our ire, but not a public tarring.

        • 6 votes
        #2.13 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:03 AM EST
        Santino42

        I have not seen all fifty states in my own country and will not spend any of my money in another country for travel.

        We are very fortunate (being born in the US) to have such a diverse land at our behest. Seeing our own Land is a very important accomplishment. I know far too many people here in Chicago that have never and probably will never leave the city. A shame to say the least...

        There is however huge cultural differences when traveling abroad that are paramount IMO in understanding how life works outside the US. It also closes the gaps between people - when you realize that almost everyone in this world are striving for the same things i.e. family, security, happiness etc...

        Go if you wish, but don't suggest I do.

        IMO it should be mandatory that everyone in the US travels abroad. There are riots, rapes, murders, and many other bad things that happen in the US too. Don't let your fears of the unknown control you.

        • 5 votes
        #2.14 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:39 AM EST
        Reply
        1devon

        I've never listened to the kid sing, but there really is something evil about our priorities. We care more about the bottom line of our health insurance companies than we do about our neighbors being able to access a system that is pricing more and more people out of the market with each passing day. Hopefully that will change. An employer based, for profit, health care industry is cold to say the least.

        • 10 votes
        Reply#3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:38 PM EST
        Paddy Clarke

        An employer based, for profit, health care industry is cold to say the least.

        Really ?? I see for-profit industries all over the place - manufacturing everything from food, clothing and housing materials .... and I am not even talking about other essentials like computers and phones.

        Is that cold too ? Why the heck is healthcare industry different ?

        • 3 votes
        #3.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:54 PM EST
        Allen Coat

        Paddy Clarke, the difference with insurance companies, is they determine if you live or die, because they are the real Death Panels.'

        • 10 votes
        #3.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:03 PM EST
        1devon

        Because while other industries are for profit, most that offer items of necessity don't get away with the blatant price gouging that the health insurance industry does. When a hurricane approaches land, people who sell supplies that are necessary for survival are not allowed to gouge their customers. Health insurance has been engaging in price gouging and fraud (If I took money from my customers, then refused to follow through when they needed my services, I'd definitely be out of business, and I'd likely be jailed.) with the full applause and support of people like yourself.

        May you one day get sick, get dropped from your health plan, lose your house, your spouse and your life. That's what you are condoning. I've seen people just like you face the reality of what they're supporting. Live by the sword...

        • 11 votes
        #3.3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:05 PM EST
        1devon

        Thank you, Allen. My reply was a bit wordy, but you are bang on.

        I've seen people like Paddy become the victims of their own beliefs.

        • 6 votes
        #3.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:06 PM EST
        Brad_440

        Paddy,

        You can't buy used chemo at goodwill or garage sales. You can't buy cheaper or on sale chemo at the store. If you can't afford to get chemo at one place you can't go to a cheaper place and get it. Clothing, and housing companies don't pad their bottom line by refusing services because of technicalities or lack of money but make cheaper alternatives to expand their client base. And not getting a new shirt, house, or T-bone steak isn't life or death like health care and insurance can be.

        • 8 votes
        #3.5 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:49 PM EST
        common sense-353470

        Why wouldn't anyone in this country want to pay on average $5800 to $12,000 with large deductibles and no pre-existing conditions (such as pregnancy or diabetes or cancer) when you could pay about $400 for an entire year of health care like in Canada?

        Gosh, that's a no-brainer! Who doesn't relish living with the knowledge that should you be with health insurance or without, that they could take everything you own to pay medical bills!(sarc off)

        • 6 votes
        #3.6 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:34 PM EST
        Little Sure Shot

        in the "evil" U.S.

        What a smug little POS. Canada can keep him. If Canada's HCS is so great, why are people on year long waiting lists for procedures such as mitro valve replacement surgeries? If Beiber ever gets sick or hurt here while taking evil US money, he needs to go home for treatment. He sure is full of himself for someone who will be regulated to the bargain bin at KMart within a few years.

        • 1 vote
        #3.7 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:11 PM EST
        Jake319

        Man if a kid from Canada can see that healthcare for profit is wrong. What's wrong with us?

        But we have a military that has a worst win loss record then the Mets.

        • 5 votes
        #3.8 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:36 PM EST
        Reply
        Mark in Wyoming

        well Beib , generally someone has to pay , in Canada it may be the Government but they get the money to pay the bill from your taxes ( and everyone elses) .

        • 6 votes
        Reply#4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:49 PM EST
        Paddy Clarke

        well Beib , generally someone has to pay , in Canada it may be the Government but they get the money to pay the bill from your taxes ( and everyone elses) .

        Don't think little Bieb is capable of understanding basic economics at this point in life.

        • 4 votes
        #4.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:56 PM EST
        Mark in Wyoming

        lol at this point , I dont think he cares , most likely he has girls on the mind at this age .

        • 2 votes
        #4.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:04 PM EST
        Paddy Clarke

        lol at this point , I dont think he cares , most likely he has girls on the mind at this age .

        Yeah, speaking from personal experience, that can be QUITE a distraction. One more reason why someone should tell him to leave the heavy topics to the adults.

        • 1 vote
        #4.3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:51 PM EST
        Santino42

        Yeah, speaking from personal experience, that can be QUITE a distraction. One more reason why someone should tell him to leave the heavy topics to the adults.

        Why because you disagree with him - that's @!$%#ing hilarious.

        • 8 votes
        #4.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:22 PM EST
        common sense-457836

        I would rather pay taxes that benefit everyone than needlessly line the pockets of some insurance exec for his personal enrichment any day

        • 7 votes
        #4.5 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:52 PM EST
        Silvaria

        Oh, brother...here we go with the "Canada's health care sucks" comments.

        My ex-boyfriend is Canadian, and has multiple health problems, and never had ANY TROUBLE getting the care he needs.

        So, hm, let's see...should I believe the Americans who claim their system sucks, or a Canadian who has used it all his life and has no issues with it?

        Enough said.

        • 6 votes
        #4.6 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:42 PM EST
        common sense-353470

        silvaria- it will never be enough for some people. I have plenty of relatives and acquaintances in Canada and they are very happy with their health care.

        Also people are not forced into bankruptcy, even though they had insurance, and do not lose their homes, cars or retirement savings just because they get sick or have an accident.

        • 7 votes
        #4.7 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:41 PM EST
        jawill11

        well Beib , generally someone has to pay , in Canada it may be the Government but they get the money to pay the bill from your taxes ( and everyone elses) .

        It's possible that he realizes that fact and is okay with paying higher taxes for the benefit of his country because he is a decent human being who understands the responsibilities of living in a civilized, functional society.

        • 8 votes
        #4.8 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:44 PM EST
        Silvaria

        Also people are not forced into bankruptcy, even though they had insurance, and do not lose their homes, cars or retirement savings just because they get sick or have an accident.

        Bingo. Every study done recently shows that more than 60% of bankruptcies filed in this country are a result of medical bills.

        Sixty percent! And yet so many people still thump their chests and holler that we have the best system in the world. They remind me of alcoholics who can't admit they have a problem. 8(

        • 4 votes
        #4.9 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:04 PM EST
        Digital-904078

        for the benifit of the country im great with paying higher taxes instead of getting a few execs rich.off the misery of others.

        • 5 votes
        #4.10 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:39 PM EST
        Reply
        Michael in S J

        So, Bieber is a capitalist. Probably true.

        Just like a capitalist: he acts like one when he says his bodyguard doesn't have the same level of health care as he does. Every dime for himself and not one dime for health care for his employees.

        Let's make sure we get all of our withholding before he goes homes.

          Reply#5 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:52 PM EST
          American Dreams

          another entertainer who thinks their personal views, tainted from too much money and living high on the hog, means any words they speak is worthy of all our attention. They should stick to what they know best and are paid to do - entertain us.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#6 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:54 PM EST
          Jake319

          Sour grapes!

            #6.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:41 PM EST
            Neish1920

            Heck a ride in an ambulance will run you $700

            Right, and the EMT's who drive it and provide the services get paid $10-12 an hour! They sure as hell aint getting a piece of that $700

            another entertainer who thinks their personal views, tainted from too much money and living high on the hog, means any words they speak is worthy of all our attention. They should stick to what they know best and are paid to do - entertain us.

            He is 16. You really think he just up and said this out of the blue? He was more than likely asked a question and he answered.

            • 2 votes
            #6.2 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:10 AM EST
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            Independent.mind

            Well said Justin. Its sickening how this country feel like everybody has to give up their citizenship to become americans. For the American music stars, movie stars and business people who make millions and millions of dollars in foreign countries, should they give up their American citizenship for those other countries? Hell no! So stop asking other foreigners to.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#7 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:57 PM EST
            badchess

            Hey, Justin, if you don't like the health care your employee gets, perhaps you should supply him with a health care plan.

            Quite a few evil money grubbing capitalistic American employers do that.

            • 1 vote
            #7.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:04 PM EST
            HeelsnHairMetal

            Who says his employee doesnt get coverage? Most likely he has a deductible to pay, some sort of co-insurance amount, or a co-pay.

            And many bodyguards are not employees of the clients themselves but are employed through some sort of agency. If that the case than the US COMPANY that the bodyguard actually works for is in charge of his HC coverage.

            • 7 votes
            #7.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:15 PM EST
            badchess

            According the the sagacious Bieber :

            My bodyguard's baby was premature, and now he has to pay for it. In Canada, if your baby's premature, he stays in the hospital as long as he needs to, and then you go home

            Not that i'd stake anything on the accuracy of something Bieber happened to say.

            He's a teenager with a teenagers incomplete grasp and simplified worldview.

            I don't think Americans should be allowed to vote until they are 25 years old, so what a teenage Canadian "thinks" about an issue is hardly important.

            • 1 vote
            #7.3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:20 PM EST
            1devon

            A lot of times people like body guards are private contractors and don't receive regular benefits. Does this guy only protect him while he's in the U.S. or does he travel with him? We also don't know if this kid paid or offered to help pay the medical bills. He's simply citing an example of the differences in our priorities.

            • 7 votes
            #7.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:30 PM EST
            Moderate GOP

            Well then you can not join the armed forces until you are 25 then.

            • 3 votes
            #7.5 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:39 PM EST
            1devon

            The armed forces doesn't take everyone. I know a couple of people with pre-existing conditions who were denied entry. Should everyone have to join the armed forced to get affordable coverage? Our military budget is bursting at the seems now.

            • 3 votes
            #7.6 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:01 PM EST
            Jake319

            Approximate.16%of the military budget is healthcare. That does not include the VA. Military retiries get tri-care.
            That would cost a private corporation $3500 a month/ retiree.

            The insurance companies clean up on that by providing expensive diagnostic tests that do nothing for the general health of the retiree.

            • 2 votes
            #7.7 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:54 PM EST
            Esha1003

            Actually, Beiber was being truthful. Since Canada has a NATIONALIZED health care system, they just keep people in the hospital for as long as they need, and the stuff paid to hospitals is taken out of tax receipts, which is why Canada has higher taxes [though only a little] than the United States.

            • 2 votes
            #7.8 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:47 AM EST
            Reply
            Jensen-576947

            I Owe My Soul To the Company Store (Insurance Plan) Johnny Cash, Sixteen Tons

            • 6 votes
            Reply#8 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:59 PM EST
            Allen Coat

            Jensen-576947, I still know the words to most of that song, and yes it's quite appropriate. I visited a friend yesterday who is dying of cancer, and he and his wife were going over all their medical bills.

            • 8 votes
            #8.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:06 PM EST
            deepwater don

            Tennesee Ernie Ford was the original artist I believe. circa early 1960's.

            • 1 vote
            #8.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:22 PM EST
            Reply
            HeelsnHairMetal

            Bieber is a capitalist through and through: he knows the US health insurance industry is broken, a monster designed only to build huge profits and not to care for patients, but is more than willing to collect money from stupid American teeny-boppers who like his stupid songs. You guys should be proud of him!!

            He is 100% correct and if I were him I would do the SAME thing. Canada spends a lower percent of their GDP on health care, has a higher ranked system, a lower infant mortality rate, and a higher life expectancy. Dollar for dollar, Canada spends less money per citizen on health care and gets better results. Obviously they are doing something right.

            There are a lot of people living here who who have no desire to become American citizens for one reason or another. Losing access to a free system that is more effective than the US one is quite an incentive to keep your Canadian citizenship.

            • 11 votes
            Reply#9 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:00 PM EST
            badchess

            And yet another reason to like the American system.

            • 4 votes
            #9.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:05 PM EST
            Jensen-576947

            I agree,

            Dollar for dollar, Canada

            By the way, Canadian Dollar has been going up in value compared the US Dollar that Bernanke and Company are trying to "kill" instead of defaulting on the debt. Beiber will get the last laugh he can put his money in "Good" banks and draw "real interest" while US funny money becomes worthless and draws 0.2 percent while "real inflation" is double digit, yep, Beibs in laughing all the way to a "real bank," and the US is being "floated" down a river of debt and the only "bank" insight is "BANKRUPTCY." Beibs, you the Man! Take your money and run, while the runnin' is good, smart, boy, smart, boy.

            • 5 votes
            #9.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:15 PM EST
            Reply
            Joe Mont

            I was going comment but, Justin Bieber,please. Eh.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#10 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:07 PM EST
            Wizeguy

            Freaking shame isn't it. A 16 year old kid can tell us how screwed up our system is and the gist of it is he is RIGHT!!!!

            • 10 votes
            Reply#11 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:09 PM EST
            Randy McMurphy

            Canada is one of the freest Economies in the world.Freer than ours. In fact Every single country in the world that is freer than ours has universal healthcare, According to conservative standardsThey also pay between 8-11.2 % of their Gdps compared to our 17% on healthcare.

            • 12 votes
            Reply#12 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:10 PM EST
            Joe Mont

            I can't wait to hear Snookies views on nuclear proliferation.

            • 8 votes
            Reply#13 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:19 PM EST
            badchess

            OK, best comment of the day!

            • 5 votes
            #13.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:20 PM EST
            Randy McMurphy

            She'd have a more coherent grasp of foreign polic the Palin has , but then that ain't sayin' much.

            • 5 votes
            #13.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:41 PM EST
            Joe Mont

            "She'd have a more coherent grasp of foreign POLIC THE Palin has". Yea Ok. The really sad part is that you actually believe that. The libs next savior Snookie.

            • 2 votes
            #13.3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:03 PM EST
            janice22

            I can't wait to hear Snookies views on nuclear proliferation.

            Now that is funny.

            • 2 votes
            #13.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:21 PM EST
            Randy McMurphy

            Joe Mont

            WHo said snookie is a savior? You did. I merely said she'd have a more coherent foreign policy than sarah, which I suppose is an exaggeration, she is most likely on par with Palin, Have one or the other in any position of power would yield the same result...disaster.

            Could you point out some tweet of hers to prove me wrong?

            • 2 votes
            #13.5 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:55 PM EST
            Joe Mont

            Randy you're the one who just had to mention Palin.I know you can't help yourself it's a reflex action.

            • 2 votes
            #13.6 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:06 PM EST
            badchess

            Expect him to mention Fox news next.

            Ohh, sorry, he will spell it Faux news.

            • 2 votes
            #13.7 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:11 PM EST
            Randy McMurphy

            Joe mont, if you hadn't mentioned snookie, palin would have never entered my mind.so there.

            The fox is a known carrier of rabies which renders it victims prone to hallucinations and paranoia. Bill Salmon dictates their spin on healthcare not reality.

            • 2 votes
            #13.8 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:43 PM EST
            Reply
            Shawn [a.k.a. "Shadow"]

            On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks.

            http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

            If Bieber wants to throw "well, I know an instance where" then I'm sure we all can.

            That's the joy of being a multi-millionaire child - the world is so quickly black and white and there are no real worries.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#14 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:20 PM EST
            badchess

            Well, the worry of sticking with coke or trying heroin...

            • 2 votes
            #14.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:22 PM EST
            JJM-1019980

            I'm not sure, are you saying the US or Canada's health care is better?

            • 2 votes
            #14.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:56 PM EST
            Randy McMurphy

            Gratzer is a hack who works for a right wing belief tank who constantly lies for right wing causes and republican candidates...the myths the right chooses to believe run counter to the reality.His lies for the Giulliani campaign debunked here.

            • 6 votes
            #14.3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:11 PM EST
            Shawn [a.k.a. "Shadow"]

            I'm not sure, are you saying the US or Canada's health care is better?

            I'm saying we can all "cherry pick" scenarios to suit our specific agenda. I needed a sleep study here in Florida and scheduled it for 6 days later. In the story it seemed the woman faced a two year delay.

            And while I've experienced times where I spent a couple hours in an emergency waiting room...I've never sat there for five days. So...in those two instances (I've never had a hernia or cancer), I'd say I've been more fortunate. I'm sure in some instances people can see where they've been luckier there than here.

            The problem comes in when a person looks to a single instance and says, "see...there's the problem" - nothing in the complexity of today's world is so easily "problem solved" and unfortunately it's usually the mega-rich that spout off the most...most likely because in the model where "money talks", regardless WHERE they reside, they'll NEVER wait for help.

            • 6 votes
            #14.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:14 PM EST
            badchess

            There you go again, thinking like an adult...

            • 2 votes
            #14.5 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:24 PM EST
            Shawn [a.k.a. "Shadow"]

            lol...a comical (and at the same time tragic) read, and further illustrates why Justin will never really have to worry about healthcare, even in Canada:

            A Montreal Gazette investigation recently reported that patients were jumping the queue by offering surgeons envelopes stuffed with thousands of dollars.

            One high-ranking physician who works with doctors at several Montreal hospitals told the Montreal Gazette that “Everyone within these hospitals knows about it … It’s systemic, and it has been so for a long time now.”

            For general surgery, the cost runs between $5,000 to $7,000 to jump the wait list into the operating room, he said.

            Critics also raised the issue during question period in the House of Commons yesterday.“Allowing illegal cash payments to continue will endanger the health of those Canadians who cannot afford extra billing”, said NDP Health Critic Megan Leslie. “When will the government stop allowing two-tiered health care and stop letting those with enough cash to jump the queue?”

            http://healthcoalition.ca/wp-content/plugins/st_newsletter/stnl_iframe.php?newsletter=17

            • 5 votes
            #14.6 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:44 PM EST
            Randy McMurphy

            Yes good find. An article that points out that it is privatisation that is driving the black market;

            The black market for care is encouraged by the privatization of services, he said. Doctors feel underpaid and the demand for medical services in the public system outstrips supply, he said.

            But doctors shouldn't accept such gifts, he said.

            Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/Want+fast+care+Slip+some+cash/3892737/story.html#ixzz1E9cAfMe6

            • 4 votes
            #14.7 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:04 PM EST
            badchess

            That was interesting (and given human nature rather predictable).

            • 1 vote
            #14.8 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:12 PM EST
            Shawn [a.k.a. "Shadow"]

            Yes good find. An article that points out that it is privatisation that is driving the black market

            To the contrary...

            The black market for care is encouraged by the privatization of services, he said. Doctors feel underpaid and the demand for medical services in the public system outstrips supply, he said.

            But doctors shouldn't accept such gifts, he said.

            Quebec has to find solutions within the public system to relieve the pressure on operating rooms and diagnostic procedures, "so people don't feel like they have to put money in an envelope to get a test," he said.

            What it points out is that the waits are so long (something you contest isn't the case) that people that are using the public system (public doctors and public hospitals as noted in the article) and buying off the doctors so they will go "underground" and usurp the system that everyone claims is so perfect.

            So again...you restrict the doctor's pay, require them to work a high demand/low supply model, and guess what you're going to get as a patient...either insanely long lines and waits, or, if you have the funds, the ability saying, "I'll pay if you see me first".

            If you privatize the model, the doctor's charge what they will and you go to who you can afford (and supply/demand will work themselves out). If everyone is paid identical (whether you work hard or very little), there is no incentive for the doctor to help you - so you bribe them. That's what the article is pointing out.

            Simply stated in the article:

            "If you have money, you live, and if you don't, you die,"

            • 2 votes
            #14.9 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:49 PM EST
            Esha1003

            Shawn, bull. The fact is that if all the doctors were paid the same REASONABLE rate, we could start fining those doctors who do that "Pay me and I will see you quicker!" by looking at what they are making per year compared to what their businesses are taking in and say "WAIT A MINUTE! This guy is taking in much more than he should with our reasonable rates on health care! What is going on here?"

            They would then investigate him and put him where he belongs: in jail or in the poor house after fining his tail off!

            It's time to get the profit motive out of the health care industry. It does not make doctors any better, it only brings greed into the equation, as Canada has realized.

              #14.10 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:52 AM EST
              Shawn [a.k.a. "Shadow"]

              The fact is that if all the doctors were paid the same REASONABLE rate, we could start fining those doctors who do that "Pay me and I will see you quicker!" by looking at what they are making per year compared to what their businesses are taking in and say "WAIT A MINUTE! This guy is taking in much more than he should with our reasonable rates on health care! What is going on here?"

              Well...apparently the doctors in Canada that are making $200,000+ don't belief that's a reasonable salary, because it's they that are taking bribes to see patients faster. And as the bribes are upwards of $10,000 per person, I'm not sure if there COULD be a connection between one's version of "reasonable" and another's.

              Pull profit out...it's a noble thought but again, if you tell someone that they are going to make 'x' amount whether they see 2 patients a day or accept 100 patients a day, work 6 hours and then play golf, or work 14 hours and not see their kids at night - what do you think they will do?

              The expression, "what's in it for me" permeates EVERY aspect of this planet, from the very top to the very bottom. There is little to no altruism in the world.

              • 3 votes
              #14.11 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:07 PM EST
              vol fan in chatt, tn

              Yep, Shawn, why can't people see this for what it is...and they want the same thing here???

              • 1 vote
              #14.12 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:01 PM EST
              Reply
              mhr83

              Do you think he realizes that someone in Canada is paying for it?

              • 3 votes
              Reply#15 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:24 PM EST
              badchess

              The good fairy, err, beaver delivers magical "free" helthcare to all Canadians on Canada Day at no cost to anyone anywhere, eh?

              • 2 votes
              #15.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:00 PM EST
              janice22

              Do you think he realizes that someone in Canada is paying for it?

              Like when my kids were younger they thought money came from the bank and all you had to do was go by the ATM and get some whenever you wanted to. Of course as they grew older they realized that wasn't true. Older as in about 7 years old. I wonder if Beeboy will ever figure out that someone has to pay for everything.

              • 2 votes
              #15.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:14 PM EST
              Randy McMurphy

              Beiber pays Canadian taxes...right? He is aware that his taxes pay for the healthcare system, at 10% of the countries GDP compared with our 17%

              Look at the differences in infant mortality and Life expectancy;

              United States
              Infant mortality rate:

              total: 6.14 deaths/1,000 live births

              country comparison to the world: 177
              male: 6.81 deaths/1,000 live births
              female: 5.44 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)
              Life expectancy at birth:

              total population: 78.24 years
              country comparison to the world: 49
              male: 75.78 years
              female: 80.81 years (2010 est.)

              Canada

              Infant mortality rate:
              total: 4.99 deaths/1,000 live births
              country comparison to the world: 186
              male: 5.34 deaths/1,000 live births
              female: 4.63 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)
              Life expectancy at birth:

              total population: 81.29 years
              country comparison to the world: 10
              male: 78.72 years
              female: 84 years (2010 est.)

              • 5 votes
              #15.3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:32 PM EST
              badchess

              That is a pretty simple minded comparison. Most of US problems are self inflicted. If you start with a unhealthy overweight population than your infant mortality and life expediency is not going to be good.

              Perhaps the fact that the US has 3 times as many obese people as the great white north explains some of the numbers you post above...

              http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity

              • 2 votes
              #15.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:36 PM EST
              Randy McMurphy

              We get to medical problems later, the medical errors by our sprawling unstandardized system are greater, and fetus aren't born with these problems... These are indicators of a healthsystem, we have a sick care system, thats why they are so high.

              • 4 votes
              #15.5 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:43 PM EST
              badchess

              Actually studies have shown that overweight mothers do in fact lead to overweight children.

              Women who gain too much weight during pregnancy give birth to bigger babies and increase the infants' chances of being overweight as adults, new research suggests.

              Also, overweight women and their babies are more likely to experience complications such as cesarean section, birth defects, premature delivery, and maternal and infant deaths.

              Looks like it would sort of have an influence on a lot of the numbers you were posting eh?

              http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100907/NEWS01/9070334/TN-obesity-often-begins-overweight-mother

              • 2 votes
              #15.6 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:52 PM EST
              common sense-353470

              badchess - does this mean you are agreeing with Michelle Obama on reducing obesity?

              Also agreeing with health education provided by the Canadian government on preventive health care?

              • 3 votes
              #15.7 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:24 PM EST
              Jake319

              The choice comes down to this. Your country has Wasteful military or you spend the money on something every citizen can use. Their choice seems better.

              • 1 vote
              #15.8 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:06 PM EST
              Esha1003

              No, they don't, badchess. Family history of being overweight leads to overweight children (which at that point, if ALL a family is overweight, you have to say that is normative for that family in question unless they weigh A LOT more than the mean for the family).

              • 1 vote
              #15.9 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:53 AM EST
              Reply
              Gypsywych

              Um....wait. Doesn't Justin Bieber employ his bodyguard? Why doesn't he provide health benefits as part of the employment package?

              • 2 votes
              #16 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:37 PM EST
              Randy McMurphy

              Pre existing condition. No insurance company would take a premie ...until they are prohibited from doing so in 2014.

              • 7 votes
              #16.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:01 PM EST
              JJM-1019980

              Um..wait..let me check...(you can do this too) No. they work for a security firm and are contracted out.

              • 5 votes
              #16.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:04 PM EST
              Allen Coat

              Gypsywych, thanks for the comment, I'm guessing that Justin hired a bodyguard from a protection agency in the US, who would be responsible for his insurance, or lack of.

              • 7 votes
              #16.3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:09 PM EST
              Randy McMurphy

              As someone who worked for a non profit that housed families of kids with catastrophic illness... You can have insurance and still go bankrupt in a short period of time. I've seen parents with decent jobs and insurance sell their homes the same week they find their children has stage 4 neuroblastoma and the like...

              • 5 votes
              #16.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:14 PM EST
              Gypsywych

              My point is still valid. If he is concerned for his bodyguard's health care package, he should pay for it.

              • 2 votes
              #16.5 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:31 PM EST
              Randy McMurphy

              No..it isn't. You don't eeven have enough info on it to make such a baseless assertion.

              • 6 votes
              #16.6 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:34 PM EST
              badchess

              I would not say that. If I had 65 million dollars and my bodyguard was telling me a sob story about his medical bills, I'd pony up the money.

              Unless I didn't like him.

              Or unless I was a selfish jerk.

              • 1 vote
              #16.7 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:37 PM EST
              1devon

              Do you know he didn't pay or offer to pay?

              • 4 votes
              #16.8 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:44 PM EST
              Gypsywych

              Why not Randy? He is an employer of more than one person. He has a staff of some sort, whether they are independent contractors at the moment, or work directly for him, it's his money that pays them. At the very least he currently has an assistant (or more than one), a bodyguard, a staff for his shows, a whole crew of roadies. Why can't he pay for their health insurance package. Small business owners do it all the time. What other information do I need to make this assertion?

              • 1 vote
              #16.9 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:45 PM EST
              Randy McMurphy

              How do you know he didn't? You can tell what you'd do with 65 million...when you have 65 million. All else is speculation. My guess is you'd tell the guard to pick himself up by the bootstraps.

              • 5 votes
              #16.10 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:48 PM EST
              badchess

              Oddly enough a coworker hit me up for a thousand dollars that I didn't have, so I took an advance on a credit card and gave it to him.

              So I'm pretty sure if I had 65 million dollars I'd be willing to pony up some money for a hospital bill for someone who worked for me.

              • 1 vote
              #16.11 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:54 PM EST
              common sense-457836

              Who the hell cares if Bieber buys his bodyguard insurance or not? We are talking about a national problem that affects the entire country!

              You think if you can solve Justin Biebers bodyguards insurance situation then the rest of the problems will just magically go away?

              These attempts at meaningless deflection are truly pathetic

              • 7 votes
              #16.12 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:59 PM EST
              Randy McMurphy

              Badchess. If that anecdote is honest then that is great. So all that is required is that rich people who come in contact with the top 2% of the wealthiest citizens, so they can and would foot the bill for thei medical expenses. I wonder if someone who works for Koch industries kids fall ill, by your busting on Bieber logic , they should pay the medical expenses?

              Gypsywitch
              read above, can we take the same tact you have with Bieber with ALL our wealthy people? Will Rush Limbugh pay for every medical bill for people who contact him?

              Of course not. The problem with that is the uneven. We should do what the freest economies in the world ALL do, is have universal coverage. They spend less have better outcomes and leave none of their citizens behind.

              • 2 votes
              #16.13 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:14 PM EST
              1devon

              I am still wondering if he is aware of this situation because he did pay or offer to pay. Another thought is that if he is a minor, his finances may be very much under the control of his parents.

              • 1 vote
              #16.14 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:16 PM EST
              badchess

              Sadly it is. I really should bring that up with him soon...

              As I mentioned their are better and worse outcomes about various systems.

              Longer wait periods and increased corruption in other countries (and citizens left behind when they have to wait too long for medical care). for instance.

              And a lot of their better outcomes could be matched in the US if we played some basketball rather than going to McDonalds.

              • 1 vote
              #16.15 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:20 PM EST
              Esha1003

              1devon, he probably heard what was going on, offered to help, and the bodyguard refused the help, saying that in America, the land of the free, the home of the brave, the supposedly goddamned best country in the frigging world..... he should not have to choose between feeding his family and getting his baby's health problems taken care of, which he is right about.

              NATIONALIZED INSURANCE IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM! A one payer, one company thing, so that we can keep the greedy middlemen out of the equation.

              • 3 votes
              #16.16 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:57 AM EST
              Reply
              blindsided-1194485

              Seems like young Mr.Beiber struck a nerve with some folks on the vine. If so, I guess the truth hurts. He didn't lie. He called the healthcare situation in America vs. Canada the way he saw it. It wasn't a slight against the country or it's people, just our dysfunctional healthcare system. "From the mouths of babes."

              • 9 votes
              Reply#17 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:01 PM EST
              Allen Coat

              blindsided-1194485, thanks for the comment, I don't know if people are jealous because he is young, rich or foreign, but probably a combination of all three.

              • 8 votes
              #17.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:13 PM EST
              Jensen-576947

              Allen Coat

              blindsided-1194485, thanks for the comment, I don't know if people are jealous because he is young, rich or foreign, but probably a combination of all three.

              Yep, Beibs really polarizes people, Very interesting, wonder why, why, why?

                #17.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:31 PM EST
                badchess

                Because we hate bubble gum rock and look forward to the day when Bieber's claim to fame is a spot on "where are they now" or avoiding him when he is playing at the state fair.

                Taking stock in Beiber would be akin to listening to Britteny Spears circa 1998 pontificating on the post cold war world.

                • 1 vote
                #17.3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:42 PM EST
                slr76-1299710

                okay...so I get it that people do not like the kid (my son hates to even hear his name)...but that dislike of him as a person does not in any way negate that what he said (after being asked in an interview, not just an off the cuff remark)about our health care system here in the US is spot on correct. He is right! Our system is broken and even with the "reform" that is coming down the pipes, I don't see it getting any better until the health insurance companies are taken to task for their abuse of their clients and made to "play fair". Perhaps we should all stop bashing Justin Beiber for being young, famous, not terribly talented, Canadian, etc and just really think about what he said and how we most likely look to people from other countries. He isn't the only foreigner to hold that opinion about the American health system by far. Again...he is right about our health care system being broken and causing people to lose everything just to obtain medical care for whatever disease they have the misfortune of having. I don't like the kid, but I have to say that he got this one right.

                • 4 votes
                #17.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:32 PM EST
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                janice22

                And I'm sure this healthy teenager has had sooooo much experience with healthcare and healthcare costs. Sure, he's the one I want to take healthcare advise from. </sarc>

                • 1 vote
                Reply#18 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:11 PM EST
                Randy McMurphy

                How do you know what his experience with it is? I'm sure he's never met a kid who's family was broke because their kids were ill, probably never had a friend who lost his coverage because his parents check was .02 cents short of the insurance bill, or because they forgot they took acne medication ...

                • 8 votes
                #18.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:23 PM EST
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                Joe Mont

                It seems the "evil" U.S. has be pretty good to this little punk.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#19 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:27 PM EST
                Randy McMurphy

                Again he said our healthcare system is evil, not Americans. Most Americans agree with him.

                Is he a mediocre talent? Yeah. Is he way overexposed.Hell yeah. Is he right on American Healthcare? YES

                • 7 votes
                #19.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:37 PM EST
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                NHFishercat

                Canada is looking to CHANGE their socialist health care because it's not working. He won't want to be a Canadian pretty soon either I guess.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#20 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:55 PM EST
                Randy McMurphy

                No they are not. Just another myth.

                • 8 votes
                #20.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:16 PM EST
                NHFishercat

                But in recent years patients have been forced to wait longer periods for diagnostic tests and elective surgery while the wealthy and well connected either sought care in the United States or used influence to jump medical lines.

                "The evidence in this case shows that delays in the public health care system are widespread, and that, in some serious cases, patients die as a result of waiting lists for public health care," the Supreme Court ruled. "In sum, the prohibition on obtaining private health insurance is not constitutional where the public system fails to deliver reasonable services."

                Die while WAITING for care... Yeah Randy, it's all peachy up there... *Rolls Eyes*

                • 2 votes
                #20.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:23 PM EST
                Teeminimartunis

                "Canada is looking to CHANGE their socialist health care because it's not working. He won't want to be a Canadian pretty soon either I guess."

                Ok, enough is enough. I was born, and lived in the U.S. for over 45 years. Immigrated to Canada. brought my business and employees with me. There are no "changes", except for expansion of care facilities. I have NEVER heard of anyone waiting for emergency services. Elective, non-life threatening procedures, sure, but it's a tiered system. If you have the money for these procedures, no wait, if you don't, maybe a couple months. You can also purchase insurance to cover illness while traveling. You can also purchase private insurance if you choose. My employees, and their families, are very happy with their new healthcare, and it only costs me $50 per employee per month. My wife has been referred to specialists 4 times, each time she was in within the week. These BS stories are just that, BS. Is the system perfect? No, but it sure as hell beats what we all got in the U.S. The point is, EVERYONE is covered. I suppose if you've never experienced both systems, you'd have no clue. There's way too much hyperbole and mis-information out there, that many seem to tout as "Knowledge". When the hyperbole started in the U.S. about the Canadian system a couple years ago, I started asking people I'd meet, if they were happy with their healthcare. NOT A SINGLE PERSON SAID THEY WEREN'T HAPPY!! Do that in the U.S. Just ask 50 people, at random, go ahead.

                BTW: Look up "medical mistake deaths in U.S." And you pay a premium for those mistakes, but, if you have insurance, at least the mistake that killed you MAY be covered, and if you need another surgery to correct the mistake, you pay again, or your family can pay for it when the bill collectors hound them.

                • 6 votes
                #20.3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:32 PM EST
                Randy McMurphy

                Geez, wonder why you didn't post the link...

                Dr. Chaoulli, who was born in France, has long called for Canada to adopt a two-tier, public-private health care system similar to those of France, Germany and Switzerland.

                France is the best universally government mandated insurance in the world, Germany has hundreds of insurance companies to choose from features a standardized statuary plan with subsidized ssupplemental plansplans , Switzerland is 100% non profit insurance providers and subsidized coverage. Notice he didn't mention our system? Why Probably because its the worst in the indutrialized world.

                Don't think for a minute they would want a system like ours because they liberalize and subsidize market oriented solutions

                • 5 votes
                #20.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:44 PM EST
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                Hayduke1

                Wow, a pop star i can finally appreciate!

                • 2 votes
                Reply#21 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:59 PM EST
                jabbausaf

                Maybe he can motivate his legions of fans to agitate for a public option or universal national health care.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#22 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:10 PM EST
                badchess

                Or lowering the drinking age to 16.

                • 2 votes
                #22.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:13 PM EST
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                Allen Coat

                Most people, probably didn't read the entire article, because at the end, he said for the most part he was anti-abortion. I don't hear any of the Conservatives on the Vine complaining about that comment, but then they can't because they spent so much time attacking character, how could he be right on that position?

                • 7 votes
                Reply#23 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:18 PM EST
                badchess

                I think it is more likely that 95% of the people don't read the seeded article.

                I mean, if you are not a 14 year old girl would you click on the "read article" button?

                • 3 votes
                #23.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:22 PM EST
                T Bourlon

                Seriously, WHO CARES what a 16-yr-old pop flavor-of-the-month thinks, anyway???

                • 3 votes
                #23.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:43 PM EST
                badchess

                14 year old girls and 45 year old gay males?

                • 2 votes
                #23.3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:54 PM EST
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                YourTruth4u

                LOL....Yeah I'm going to listen to him what with ALL his life experiences and stuff. What a joke this kid is. He doesn't realize what it costs the "working" Canadian citizen in taxes to pay for that healthcare. Our system might be a bit broke but what Mr. Obama has proposed does NOTHING to control the costs of medical care, medicine, or insurance so ALL of those will continue to rise. And we will continue to struggle to pay for ALL of it. WE are broke because Americans have turned their back on their own country and buy more foreign than domestic. As long as Americans foolishly continue to buy foreign over domestic instead of supporting what their country and they produce the collapse of this ONCE great country will continue unabated. Want jobs? Want a better economy? Want a brighter and more prosperous future? BUY AMERICAN!!! It is the ONLY way out of this mess. LEARN IT!!!

                • 1 vote
                Reply#24 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:21 PM EST
                Pablo-123

                Can we get him to stay up in Canada altogether.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#25 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:22 PM EST
                badchess

                And build a tall fence to keep radio waves out?

                • 2 votes
                #25.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:32 PM EST
                Pablo-123

                We could jam the signal

                • 1 vote
                #25.2 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:06 PM EST
                Stevie-445471

                Can we get him to stay in Canada altogether?

                Dream on honey, this kid is a rock star. You would be up against the every city that hosts one of his concerts.

                • 2 votes
                #25.3 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:06 PM EST
                Little Sure Shot

                this kid is a rock star.

                A star is little more than a big ball of gas. Look, it is not whose HCS system is better, it is this pompous little mama's boy insulting the country who helped him accrue 65 million dollars. He thinks we are so evil, he can stay home and play the winter carnivals and at beer factory openings.

                • 1 vote
                #25.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:25 PM EST
                Mark1949

                Little Sure Shot:

                Pisses ya off that at 16 years old he's made more of his life than you EVER will. Your patriotism is only surpassed by your jealousy (by a mile :)

                • 8 votes
                #25.5 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:30 PM EST
                Stevie-445471

                Mark, I could not have said it any better:-)

                • 2 votes
                #25.6 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:58 AM EST
                sunnybunny1269

                I'd have to agree that he is doing way better than I am. A point I would like to make as well is no one is forced to reluctantly hand their money over to him in sums that are more than they can afford. What money he does make is from people who gladly give it in small amounts for the pleasure he gives them. Even though I am not impressed with him as an artist - I can respect that he has a good thing going on.

                • 1 vote
                #25.7 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:37 AM EST
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