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Rescuer of kidnapped girl comes forward as undocumented immigrant

Seeded on Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:10 AM EDT
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They gave Antonio, the "key" to the city for his actions, but I bet the Tea Party & GOP want ICE to send him back to Mexico ASAP.

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Allen Coat

Antonio did a brave thing by saving the little girl. He put his life in the US in jeopardy, as the heartless Tea Party and GOP are probably trying to get him deported. That's why we need to update our immigration laws, that have fallen to the back of the "to do" list.

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Reply#1 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:14 AM EDT
stew.pidbeatch

while I commend this individual for his actions and his humanity - this does not negate the fact that he is here illegally, based on the current laws.

In similar stories; I was broadsided by an illegal immigrant a few years back. He had no insurance and no drivers license and was driving a stolen van with plates from another stolen vehicle on it. While the police were investigating the accident, he slipped away and they never caught him. I was a poor college student, stuck holding the bill for the accident. In an unrelated story, my brother was also involved in a motor vehicle accident with an illegal, and it put him in the hospital for 2 months, and bedridden for 6 more. He lives with a permanent headache now.

In both of those situations I removed the 'illegal status' from the offender and judged them on their actions as a human, rather than that of an illegal immigrant. I suggest you do the same.

I fully support immigration reform / rights groups to lobby to have the legislation changed, until it is, he is here illegally.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:55 AM EDT
seahawks76

Exactly stew. There are wonderful human beings all over the world. There are also complete irresponsible morons. I'd much rather have the former but without proper reform and laws its tough to keep out the latter.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:05 PM EDT
Allen Coat

Seahawks76, I agree with you entirely, Antonio was very brave knowing that he put his family at risk to do the right thing. That's why we need sensible immigrating reform.

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#1.3 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:27 PM EDT
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juststeve

And your point is? My nephew's wife has spent untold numbers of dollars attempting to become a legal citizen. She works hard and pays her taxes. So all she really had to do to become a citizen was one "good" deed and that's it?

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:57 AM EDT
vttova

Ok, let's not trivialize this man's effort to 'one good deed'. It's not like he helped someone across the street.
I would think you would be happy that it brings the plight of your nephew's wife to the front for discussion.

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:15 AM EDT
Liberal Madmama

The bigger point here is that both your niece, juststeve, and Mr. Chacon are members of their communities by choice. He apparently feels just as tied to his community, just as much a part of it, as any of the rest of us. Had he been more concerned about himself than about the others around him this kidnapper would have likely made off with the girl successfully. Instead, Mr. Chacon put his own concerns aside and did the right thing, saving the little girl and returning her to her family. We are all human beings here, and should be treated as such. Treating human beings as criminals, when the only "crime" they have committed is living somewhere impairs our ability to function as a community and to address actual crimes that harm others.

On another note, isn't it just a little bit ridiculous that it takes untold numbers of dollars and hours to "attempt" to become an American citizen, barring so many from even making that attempt because they do not have access to those untold dollars and hours, or often even access to legal egress from their country of origin? Under those circumstances is it any wonder people come here in the way that they do in order to work and better support themselves and their families?

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#2.2 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:02 AM EDT
juststeve

vttova, the problem is that it doesn't bring her plight to the front. Somehow, those who are attempting to become citizens in a legal manner get lost in the discussion about illegal immigrants.

I'm not saying that Mr. Chacon should be deported immediately. Living here in El Paso, you can see the consequences of breaking up families by that method.

Liberal Madmama, it is unfortunate that Federal laws do not address "community" except to make America a community, which it is not. If we addressed problems by community, there would be no national borders, which I am not entirely opposed to. Human beings do have a long history of being migrants.

  • 2 votes
#2.3 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:28 AM EDT
Allen Coat

Thank all of you for a good discussion and your comments to the seed.

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#2.4 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:31 PM EDT
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tyler-1708225

"I would think you would be happy that it brings the plight of your nephew's wife to the front for discussion."

What about the hundreds of illegals that commit crimes, doesn't that bring the plight of those applying legally to the front too? Why would the actions of one outweigh the actions of hundreds?

    Reply#3 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:30 AM EDT
    gatoralum

    So you think that ratio is hundreds of criminal aliens to one good one? No one could possibly believe that idiocy. Frankly, aliens have a lower crime rate than citizens. They add a whole hell of lot more to the communities where they live than the trailer park trash born here who crow the loudest about sending them back.

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    #3.1 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:04 PM EDT
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    It Aint So

    No, I think we should thank him for his actions, and THEN ship him back to Mexico.

    Sounds like he did a good deed, but that doesnt make him a legal citizen.

      Reply#4 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:47 AM EDT
      teresa-498430

      Helping an old lady across the street is a good deed. Bringing a pie to a shut in is a good deed. Chasing down a kidnapper is a bit beyond a good deed. Attempting to minimize his heroic and selfless actions is so lame. I am disgusted at the callousness of we Americans.

      • 1 vote
      #4.1 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:15 PM EDT
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      davetopper

      You know where this barrels down to? I hate my country, the flagrant ignorance is enough to make me want to god damn puke.

      So many Americans are absolutely belligerent about this immigrant thing. In the mean time your nation has been sold to Asia. China for the most part.

      Your nation has to sold to corporations.

      The immigration issue is a moot point.

      Deport him for doing the right thing.

      What do you plan to do with ALL the people that have done nothing but wrong to you and yours?

      Probably nothing you powerless imps. This is why you attack the weak, the immigrants, the blacks, who ever else you deem inferior.

      It is a cliche and it will never happen, but you would probably be speaking Mandarin well before you would be speaking Spanish.

      There is proof in all this, but you just look at the immigrants.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:58 AM EDT
      Allen Coat

      Dave, thanks for the comments, I like your points.

      • 1 vote
      #5.1 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:33 PM EDT
      teresa-498430

      Bravo, Dave.

      • 2 votes
      #5.2 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:16 PM EDT
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      cmach

      I hope that some agency will step up and give this guy a hand to work toward his legal residency and then toward citizenship. I think those who teach ESL classes know how to do this. Perhaps he should speak with them.

      This is the type of guy we want as an immigrant. It should not be impossible for him. Good luck to him.

      And he IS a hero!

      • 2 votes
      Reply#6 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:25 PM EDT
      Allen Coat

      cmach, thanks for the comment, and I feel the same way.

      • 1 vote
      #6.1 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:23 PM EDT
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      Dani-976192

      If he's married to an American citizen, doesn't that mean he's eligible for legal status? Even if he never attains citizenship, he can still be here legally.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#7 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:29 AM EDT
      Allen Coat

      Dani, I believe you are correct, maybe they just hadn't done the paperwork.

      • 1 vote
      #7.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:25 AM EDT
      Liberal Madmama

      They said in their interview that they had medical bills and didn't have the money for the fees involved.

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      #7.2 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:03 PM EDT
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